Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 06 Mar 2022 08:27

danebrog wrote: ↑
05 Mar 2022 20:59
By the way; - it is still a mystery to me why in every old British and Portuguese map the settlement of Mitomoni
was always shown on the Portuguese side of the border.
Uncle Ludwig was no better. One could almost suspect continued copy & paste in the pre-computer era. :lol:
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We should forgive him. (- :wink: -)
Uncle Ludwig was no longer there, when the `Schutztruppe´ passed Mitomoni on the way back,
since he was seriously wounded (Headshot!) during the Battle of Lioma on August 31th, 1918.

Battle of Lioma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Lioma

Lioma 30-31 August 1918 Background to Battle
https://www.google.de/books/edition/Kin ... frontcover
In OSPREY COMBAT: “King's African Rifles Soldier vs Schutztruppe Soldier” page 59 - 70
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 07 Apr 2022 05:58

By the way; - noticed in between; - a AHF member pictured some new
unpublished detailed photos of Koenigsberg guns on his home-page; - scroll down.

“Mythos SMS Kleiner Kreuzer Königsberg“ https://arche-foto.com/sms_koenigsberg.html

(But we will continue with the already started theme)
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 22 Sep 2023 10:16

"Our unidentified 10,5 cm QF L/40 C.04 Königsberg Gun" in London 1924?

Description: 4,1 inch Naval Gun - Length 13 feet 9 inches.From the Cruiser
"Königsberg" Marked Nr. 361 L.Fried Krupp 1905. Kg. 1918. London, England

(Seems to be a German description, otherwise the British used: United Kingdom?)


Furthermore it can be read on the sign hanging in front of the gun:

"4,1 INCH GUN CAPTURED BY THE ROYAL NAVY FROM THE GERMAN CRUISER KÖNIGSBERG EAST AFRICA 1915"

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Original Source:
https://www.alamy.de/bild-mit-dem-titel ... archtype=0


Here we see the same gun with the complete installed original protection shield?
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Source from Chris Dale´s homepage:
http://s400910952.websitehome.co.uk/ger ... iwmgun.jpg


Photo of the same Gun from above, but from behind.
https://c7.alamy.com/compde/2rcf9x9/lie ... rcf9x9.jpg



Any idea, who was Luitenant Sintzenich. S.C.?

Cheers Holger
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 22 Sep 2023 16:34

That's a great find Holger! I'm sure it's taken around The Mall in central London. I'll try to find the exact spot.

"Seems to be a German description, otherwise the British used: United Kingdom?" No, it's easily possible to use either.

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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 22 Sep 2023 16:49

And there's another one!
LT-SIN~1.JPG
https://www.alamy.com/lt-sintzenich-too ... 44721.html

This time we can see Admiratly Arch in the background which shows us the exact location. X marks the spot.
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Sintzenich was an army photographer.
http://historicpelham.blogspot.com/2017 ... -film.html

He took a few photos of the guns that day on display on the Mall.
https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo/lt-si ... y=relevant

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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 24 Sep 2023 14:22

I was in central London yesterday so I visited the spot where the gun was once seen.
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Kallag » 01 Oct 2023 07:52

Thank you Chris for going to the trouble of visiting the site where the gun was on display.

Pity that the gun could not preserved and that the scrapman eventually won the day.

Am I right in saying we have after all these years not yet had a volunteer brave enough to go and scratch the paint off the breech of the Mombasa gun to confirm the gun number??

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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 01 Oct 2023 15:59

Kallag wrote: ↑
01 Oct 2023 07:52
 Pity that the gun could not preserved and that the scrapman eventually won the day.
Am I right in saying we have after all these years not yet had a volunteer brave enough to go and scratch the paint off the breech of the Mombasa gun to confirm the gun number??
Regards Kallag
Hello Kallag,

You must not forget that local police forces in East Africa do not operate as “so freely and democratically minded”
as in your `beautiful western countries´.

The official approval procedures would also not be any faster than yours; - but more expensive.

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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by perhobstler » 25 Oct 2023 12:28

Could this be the missing Königsberg gun?
I found it 1985 in Entebbe Uganda. As far as I can remember the gun was marked with "Krupp"
The dimensions of the barrel are very similar, may be it was attached to another carriage.
Let me know what you think about it.
With best regards,
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Tanzania » 26 Oct 2023 05:09

perhobstler wrote: ↑
25 Oct 2023 12:28
 Could this be the missing Königsberg gun?
Hello Matthias,
it´s a Feldkanone Krupp 13,5-cm M 09
https://www.kaisersbunker.com/cc/cc04.htm

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But this the KB-Gun, still today in Mombasa
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Re: Missing Gun from the SMS Königsberg

Post by Chris Dale » 28 Oct 2023 16:27

Another geat find Holger, not seen that photo before!
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