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Re: German War Graves & Cemetery in Burundi / GEA

Post by Tanzania » 12 May 2021 21:03

Some own Photos onsite, little more than 100 years later around Mlali, 26 km South-west from Morogoro.

Google position of the village of Mlali and the Mlali-Pass located south of it:
https://www.google.de/maps/place/Mlali, ... 4d37.53479


76_The wetlands north-west of the Mlali-Stream, in the background the western foothills of the Uluguru-Mountains.
76_The wetlands north-west of the Mlali-Stream.JPG

77_The Bridge over the Ngerengere-River. (On upper 62_map, the Mlali was incorrectly shown as the main river.)
77_The Bridge over the Ngerengere-River. .JPG

78_South of this bridge, the Mlali flows into the Upper course of the Ngerengere-River, and later into the
Kingani-River. On the photo below; the Mlali-Pass-road runs parallel to the Ngerengere-River to the north.
78_South of the bridge.JPG
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Re: German War Graves & Cemetery in Burundi / GEA

Post by Tanzania » 12 May 2021 21:05

79_View from the Mlali-pass-road, also in the northern direction; downhill. The difficulties of pulling
a heavy gun with several hundred carriers around the tight curves of the pass-road are easy to imagine.
79_North view from the Mlali-pass-road.JPG

80_The same position like above, also from the pass-road, but with a view in southern direction; - uphill.
80_South view from the Mlali-pass-road.JPG

81_Photo also uphill, in southern direction, shows the Ngerengere-valley-cut. At the left corner of the photo,
can be seen the parallel pass-road. This was probably the position at which the 8.8 cm L/30 S.K. was blown
up and left behind, because there is still a free field of fire here, several hundred meters down to the valley.
81_Photo uphill with the Ngerengere-valley-cut.JPG
Sources: Own Photos June 2017
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Re: German War Graves & Cemetery in Burundi / GEA

Post by Tanzania » 22 Jun 2021 18:16

Before we continue with the original topic headline in Urundi; - Subsequent comments and additions:
4. – MILITARY- TECHNICAL ORDNANCE EXCURSUS (Subpart G)


In this case, about the last Position of the second 8.8 cm L/30 SK which was lost on 24. January 1917 at Likuju,
80 km East north-east from Songea under Oberleutnant d.R. Walter Sternheim, within the Detachment Grawert.

O.Vm.G. Ruhland describes the loss of the last 8.8 cm SK as an eyewitness to this gun operation as follows:
". . . The other [8.8 cm gun], of which I was part of the gun crew, came to the south-west of the colony after it had
been assigned to several departments. There it was blown up by us near Songea after all of the ammunition had
been fired. The detonation was carried out through a 8.8 cm cartridge case filled with dynamite. Not unmentioned
are the last battles in which this gun took part. While it was usually a few hundred meters behind the rifle line, the
gun here - since the two companies were surrounded by a strong British Detachment; had to be in the infantry line.
Of course there was direct shooting here. Given the confusing terrain, there were only a few visible targets here.
Bringing the gun out of the encirclement was out of the question. The last rounds were fired straight into the bush
and a chance hit was achieved in an English heavy machine gun. In other ways, too, the British suffered losses
from the artillery; It was primarily the shrapnel used as grapes mentioned above that worked very well. These were
the last successes of our 8,8-cm Guns. Our Detachment couldn't get out of the encirclement and surrendered. The
end of the gun has already been mentioned, it was blown up by us in time.
"

Oberleutnant Ludwig Boell, expressed himself critically in his book:
"Meanwhile, Major Byron McCarthy had advanced half a battalion from Njamabengo and Kitanda on Likuju on
13. January 1917, while two other companies of the South African 5th Infantry marched south past her and dug
into her back. Major von Grawert refused to attack or march off for fear of losing the 8,8-cm Gun, without which
he thought a later attack on Songea would be pointless and decided to maintain his fortified position, until the
advance of the Detachment Kraut and Wintgens. On 24. January 1917 he surrendered with 4 officers, 33 other
Europeans and 220 Askari. The night before, 2 Europeans and 130 Askari, who refused to surrender, marched
south-west without any further contact of the South Africans. This Germans marched towards Tunduru and partly
to Mahenge, where they found again connections with their own troops.
"


It is currently unknown whether this 8.8-cm Gun, or even parts thereof are still present. Because of the bad
roads and long distances, the gun captured by the British was probably not transported to Daressalam. As the
captivity of the prisoners points to the easier-to-reach British Nyasaland, it is more likely that the cannon, if at
all, had been transported across the Lake Nyasa as a trophy. There is also the possibility that the destruction
described by Ruhland by the blasting was carried out in such a way and a transport for the winners no longer
worthwhile. As already mentioned, no further recordings or documents of this 8,8-cm Gun are currently known.


Likuyu Ruvuma Region.png
Source, Google Position: https://www.google.de/maps/place/Likuyu ... 36.1898341


We have been already in June 2018 at Likuyu, about 15 km North north-east from Namtumbo. But the problem
is, that there are together four Likuyu villages, or one very fragmented district with the same name. Further 12 km
North north-east from the above mentioned Google position, there are three other villages with the same name:
Likuyu Mandela, Likuyu Maganga and Likuyu Seka. The last, easternmost Likuyu is already the sector HQ of the
Selous Game Reserve and we should turn back before the landing strip. However, the Selous rangers were very
friendly and indicated that 'firearms' had been found;- whatever is to be understood by that. In any case, someone
should have to bring more time next time. Unfortunately, we had only planned 3 days; - too less for a larger area.
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Re: German War Graves & Cemetery in Burundi / GEA

Post by Tanzania » 20 Dec 2021 19:09

Tanzania wrote:
14 Feb 2021 09:59
Hi Oliver

Thanks for your statement. I respect always your feedback.
90% of the details are from Uncle Ludwig; - below with Uncle Wahle.

Sounds maybe a bit abstract; - but everything is only for an extended vacation planning.
We want to make a loop to Rwanda and Burundi, among others, this summer. Ticket and
car are booked and hopefully Corona is not playing a prank. Please cross your fingers.

It's a shame that you don't have time now. Maybe in 2022; - the plan is to continue with the entire
campaign in Portuguese-East Africa / Mozambique, all the way down to Namacurra. Of course,
Uncle Ludwig will accompany us.
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Cheers Holger

Due to Corona, I have switched my travel plans for 2022 (Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi, Congo) with 2023 (Tanzania, Mozambique).
North-western Tanzania, Rwanda, Burundi and Eastern Congo are very densely populated areas with very low vaccination rates. (Congo 1.5%). I'm not hysterical, but I try to minimize such risks. Therefore I will leave this thread for now until the situation gets better, and I am currently concentrating on the sparsely populated southern Tanzania and northern Mozambique; - during preparatory research and travel planning.

Currently still in the Great War Forum:

Luambala, Mozambique: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/282 ... nt-3069051

MAHENGE 1917: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/259 ... nt-2917558

Mtn. gun type, 5th Bat. S.A.M.R. 1/1918 in PEA?: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/294 ... 18-in-pea/

Portuguese-East Africa – Maps and further sources: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/286 ... r-sources/

I will come in the AHF back later in a separate thread with results for South Tanzania + Northern Mozambique
Cheers Holger
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Re: German War Graves & Cemetery in Burundi / GEA

Post by AnchorSteam » 01 Jan 2022 08:39

Tanzania wrote:
11 Apr 2021 07:40
The `Goetzen´ entered in service on 9. June 1915 by the `Detachment Möwe´ and handed over to the
`Schutztruppe´ on the next day. The lower Belgian photo shows the steamer with the imperial war flag,
but still without any armament. As a result, the 8.8 cm S.K. L/30 was installed on the bow only afterwards.

(53_Goetzen after 9.June 1915 without 8.8 cm S.K. L/30)
53_Goetzen after 9.June 1915 without 8.8 cm S.K. L30.png
Original Source: http://www.marinebelge.be/graf%20von%20gotzen.html


The `Goetzen´ with the 8.8 cm S.K. L/30, also on M.P.L. C/89 with protective-shield at the bow of the steamer.
(54_8.8 cm S.K. L/30 on M.P.L. C/89 on bow of Goetzen)
54_8.8 cm S.K. L30 on M.P.L. C89 on bow of Goetzen.png
Original Source: http://www.ub.bildarchiv-dkg.uni-frankf ... 8_0029.jpg

.....
About 30 years ago Micheal Palin made a series about traveling from the North Pole to the South pole, and he traveled down that lake on THAT ship!
Apparently that was the best ship in service at that time.
I wonder what happened to it?

EDIT -


Holy crap! 8O

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MV_Liemba

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