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Africa campaign – Picture without caption?

Post by Tanzania » 25 Aug 2020 13:08

Africa campaign – Picture without caption?

I could still explain why the man is waving around so hectically, but what is that at the other end of the lanyard?

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Online Source (Page 17):
https://www.journalbelgianhistory.be/nl ... 18_1_2.pdf

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Re: Africa campaign – Picture without caption?

Post by danebrog » 11 Jan 2021 00:26

The man isn´t waving, he pulls a lanyard. With the piece in the background, I would guess an early mortar, probably Schneider or St. Chamond.
Compare the german counterpart in DeS

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Post by Tanzania » 11 Jan 2021 11:54

danebrog wrote:
11 Jan 2021 00:26
The man isn´t waving, he pulls a lanyard. With the piece in the background, I would guess an early mortar, probably Schneider or St. Chamond.
Compare the german counterpart in DeS
Hi Oliver,
The translation for the German word “Abzugleine” is also a bit difficult to transfer into English.

Here a Belgian trench mortar in East Africa; - but looks a little different though.

Belgian unknown Mortar East Africa.png

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Re: Africa campaign – Picture without caption?

Post by danebrog » 11 Jan 2021 15:54

:D :D :D Ach, Holger...
Do I really have to remind you now what a motley mix of weapons all the colonial troops entered the war with?
Or what kind of effort we both made to determine the almost 80 or so pieces of artillery of the imperial Schutztruppe in DOA?
Unfortunately, I don't have the time to do the same for the Belgian Force Publique...although that could certainly be very exciting.. 8-)

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Post by danebrog » 11 Jan 2021 16:05

The similarity with the Krupp mortar is striking, however.
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Post by Tanzania » 22 Jan 2021 09:04

Hi Oliver,
Sorry for late reply; -haven´t seen that you send a 2nd post on the same day.
danebrog wrote:
11 Jan 2021 16:05
The similarity with the Krupp mortar is striking, however.
I do not know this mortar; do you have details about this antique?
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Re: Africa campaign – Picture without caption?

Post by danebrog » 23 Jan 2021 02:54

Hi Holger
That's all the visual material I've been able to gather so far:
viewtopic.php?p=2184995#p2184995

The mortar was in DeS since at least 1902 and was captured by the British in 1916.
The caliber I would classify somewhere around 10 - 15cm

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Re: Africa campaign – Picture without caption?

Post by Tanzania » 23 Jan 2021 06:58

Good Morning Oliver,

Thanks for the hint; - I can still faintly remember it. There is certainly a similarity.
The story of this German mortar, however, actually excludes that it is of Belgian origin.

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Re: Africa campaign – Picture without caption?

Post by danebrog » 23 Jan 2021 16:32

I think this might be the mortar we're looking for:

Mortier de Forteresse de 8.7cm
http://www.passioncompassion1418.com/Fi ... lgique.pdf page 18
also designated as:
Mortier de 87mm Krupp/FRC (FRC = Fonderie Royale de Canons)
https://landships.activeboard.com/t3054 ... 1587985991
There the Belgian artillery is listed with status from 1914, partly also what the Force Publique received

but actually I didn't want to look for it, darn it :D

Maybe interesting for you as a collector of old books:
Furst, Gaston Adolphe: "L'artillerie coloniale" Paris , Nancy , Librairie Chapelot , 1917. - 249 pp

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Re: Africa campaign – Picture without caption?

Post by Tanzania » 24 Jan 2021 09:42

Hi Oliver

That is the type Mortier de Forttresse de 8,7-cm (- :thumbsup: -)
I see we searched parallel

This homepage gives also a deep view into French artillery-systems
http://www.fortiffsere.fr/index_fichiers/Page1918.htm

This mortar-types locks similar, but doesn’t match with the calibre.

Mortier de 220 L modèle 1881
http://www.fortiffsere.fr/artillerie/in ... age875.htm

mortier de 270 modèle 1884
http://www.fortiffsere.fr/artillerie/in ... age895.htm

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