Order of Battle DOA 1914-18

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Order of Battle DOA 1914-18

Post by Chris Dale » 25 Sep 2020 14:09

I've been contacted by a guy designing a computer wargame of the German East African campaign 1914-18. He's asked me "Do you have any information (or know a place to look for it) for the various sides' orders of battle at the "start" of 1915, 1916, 1917 and 1918 (either January or after end of Rain season in April or May). I found enough information for 1914, but did not stumble on the other years".

Can anyone help? I realise it's a very big question but even rough answers would help make the game more accurate.

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Re: Order of Battle DOA 1914-18

Post by Tanzania » 26 Sep 2020 05:20

Good morning Chris

Of course, there exists enough Information about different ”Order of Battle(s) GEA 1914-1918”.

However, I do not know whether all this information is available in one source for all battles and
skirmishes, for all years, online or in analogy format. Probably not.

But there is a difference between a proof of the strength of all units in the respective year or the
Order of Battle for a specific battle. There have of course been several battles and skirmishes at
the same time within a year.

It would be helpful to ask this guy if he have any idea, which year and which battle. It would also
be helpful to find out how deeply he wants to go into detail, troop units, units, total strength,
positions with the enemy and his own units, etc.

For example, the British Military historian Charles Hordern have some `Order of Battle´ raised,
for 1914-1916 and which are online available:
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id= ... =1up&seq=1

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Re: Order of Battle DOA 1914-18

Post by Tanzania » 27 Sep 2020 07:40

The book from, "Paul the Benevolent" (as First-Lieutenant Erich Müller used to called him) is also online
available. The different fights are shown and described as sketches. Maybe a help as an introduction.

My reminiscences of East Africa, Paul von Lettow-Vorbeck,
British Version: Hurst and Blackett Ltd., page 98, London 1922.
https://ia802708.us.archive.org/8/items ... ttuoft.pdf



By the way; - this, and many other books, are blocked (forbidden) in Germany via Project Gutenberg.
https://block.pglaf.org/germany.shtml

[sarcasm] The arguments are of course the copyrights, and not the pressure of the German
government to follow the ``political correctness´´ and to re-educate the population. It also has
absolutely nothing to do with the fact that all street signs with this name in Germany have been
removed. In his book, this typical Prussian officer did not sufficiently appreciate the legitimate
rights of women, gender, disabled and non-European foreigners.
[/sarcasm]

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Re: Order of Battle DOA 1914-18

Post by AvalonDigital » 27 Sep 2020 18:48

Many thanks for the information (I just managed to login)

I was thinking some list of units was available somewhere in any kind of compendium so there was no need to read a whole book to get every single company or bataillon... ;-)

The plan is to allow to quickly create the setup for 1915, 1916, 1917 and 1918 for my future digital game (Heia Safari)

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Re: Order of Battle DOA 1914-18

Post by Tanzania » 06 Oct 2020 06:17

Bonjour Avalon,

Welcome to the AHF. Funny; - A French and a German discuss the East African campaign of the 1st WW in English.

To get an objective overview of what was happening, you would have to read not just one book, but dozens.
Africa, and especially East Africa, was only a secondary theatre of war during the 1st World War with very special backgrounds and proportions.

While hundreds of thousands were involved in a battle in Europe, in Africa in most cases there were only company-strength battles.

I still don't have a clear idea of how you want to implement this in the game if the outcome of a fight in the past was actually determined.

Could that mean that in your game the `Entente Cordiale´ has to lay down its arms on November 25th, 1918, and the German Empire receives the mandate over the opposing colonies; - Interesting 'what-if' idea.

(Certainly there would have been no Nazis and also no Second World War with 60 million deaths.)

If you are interested, I could send you a list of German and enemy units for a specific engagement or battle; - However, you will still have to read through other documents.

If you know what year and what battle, send me a message and I'll send you a list.

Cheers Holger
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Re: Order of Battle DOA 1914-18

Post by askropp » 12 Sep 2021 22:51

In 2018, "Project Gutenberg" blocked all German IPs from access to their website after the S. Fischer Verlag (apparently rightfully) claimed to have the German copyright for the books of the Mann brothers and Alfred Döblin and demanded the removal of those works. "Project Gutenberg" said they wanted to avoid further legal troubles by this action, while Fischer suspected they wanted to instigate protests against the company and maybe force them to withdraw their copyright claim. Books by Lettow-Vorbeck were never even mentioned. All assertions that "the German government" has anything to do with this dispute are ridiculous and must be considered to be nothing else than conspiracy theories.
Er ist wieder da. Aber auch dieses Mal wird er nicht siegen!

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Re: Order of Battle DOA 1914-18

Post by Tanzania » 14 Sep 2021 06:27

askropp wrote:
12 Sep 2021 22:51
All assertions that "the German government" has anything to do with this dispute are ridiculous and must be considered to be nothing else than conspiracy theories.
With this `killer phrase´ , all arguments can be levered out very effectively.
The stigmatization of those who think differently has a long tradition especially in Germany,
except for those who benefit from it. Do you work for this government?

By the way; - I am not a vaccination opponent either and will gladly be vaccinated a third time.
So say goodbye to the typical German 'pigeonhole-thinking' and try it with something more reflective.

Maybe you also have further information about the thread title?
“Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. . . . All History was a
palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary” – G. ORWELL 1984

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