Count Ciano

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Post by Mark Alinsky » 09 Apr 2002 07:38

Do you think Mussolini would have ordered Ciano executed if the Germans had not pressured him? He was a traitor, afterall.

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Post by Der Schwarze Ritter » 10 Apr 2002 09:10

I was watching a show on the History Channel called Mussolini's Henchmen
and they said it was some guy called Ferrenacci, a die hard Fascist, who persuaded Mussolini to execute Ciano.

-Daniel-


P.S I agree he was a traitor.

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Post by Turiddu » 25 Apr 2002 07:16

I'm new in this forum...
first I would like to thank the masters for such a site.

Ciano was a very complex personallity within Italian Fascism, but I agree with you, he was a traitor, but I believe nore Farinacci or the Nationalsocialist partners pressured Mussolini for the Verona's trials agianst Ciano and other fascists traitors.

After l'ordine del giorno Grandi of the Great Council of Fascism, Badoglio and the king had free hands to dishonour Italy and Italian people.

regards

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RE: In Rise and Fall of the Third Reich

Post by MVSNConsolegenerale » 25 Apr 2002 07:25

In Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, they make it seem like the Germans pressured Mussolini into the executions inorder to warn other traitors.

From what I've read in Mussolini's biography (aptly named Mussolini), he didn't really want to do this at that period in his life, he had lost all his hopes and lost the ability to be a effective dictator. It seems all the violence and rage that marked is earlier career hand left him. So he wouldn't have done it on his own in my opinion.

Besides, he always liked Ciano and was suspecting that the count's earlier anti-german sentiments were right all along.

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Post by Marcus » 27 Apr 2002 11:24

Turiddu,

Welcome to the forum.

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Post by Turiddu » 29 Apr 2002 05:26

Compliments for your forum and thanks for the wellcome.

Hope to learn and contribute as far as I can.

Is there something I should not write on this forum? I'll look for the rules to respect all of them.

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Post by Marcus » 29 Apr 2002 10:52

You can find the rules in the Comments section, the title of the post in question is "Guidelines & Instructions".

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Post by ziggy wiseman » 18 Jun 2002 20:11

[quote]Do you think Mussolini would have ordered Ciano executed if the Germans had not pressured him? He was a traitor, afterall. [/quote]

Ciano was a clever individual,he saw the disaster coming .That doesn't make him a traitor.Many germans did the same ..

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Post by cptstennes » 18 Jun 2002 20:30

Ciano was not the only one executed. De Bono e.g. Mussolini was not in the position to order anything. Interestingly, Edda Ciano told the Nazis that if he, Ciano, were executed, she would publish his diaries, which she did. Ciano was a funny guy, he worried not about his weight but about his hair. When asked about why he disapproved of Clara Petacci, Mussolini's mistress, when he had many mistresses, he said, more or less, "many mistresses is excusable, he has one" If you see what I mean. Farinacci was the prefect of Cremona and one of the few real anti-semites in the leadership. In the arena of mistresses, Mussolini was proved right in that Ms. Petacci took the first bullet for her lover. Good luck guys in finding such, Regards, F.

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Post by ziggy wiseman » 19 Jun 2002 00:44

[quote]Edda Ciano told the Nazis that if he, Ciano, were executed, she would publish his diaries, which she did[/quote]

Edda Ciano went to Switzerland hiding diairies in her pregnant woman disguise.She sold the diairies to american inteeligence.

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Post by Turiddu » 08 Jul 2002 04:09

:x bloody money!!!
It is well knowed that Ciano have might change some notes... and in such hands, American intelligence... what can we expect??? They also wanted a part of Mussolini's brains... and again, non patriotic italians helped for money...

Ciano firstly was close to Germany and also he was responsabile of the Greek campaign and its defeat... just to try to play 'hard ball' with the NS Germany...

Thanks for that mistress' tale, Ciano was a real gentleman with the ladies... :)

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Re: Ciano

Post by Luca » 25 Jul 2002 12:46

Der Schwarze Ritter wrote:I was watching a show on the History Channel called Mussolini's Henchmen
and they said it was some guy called Ferrenacci, a die hard Fascist, who persuaded Mussolini to execute Ciano.

-Daniel-


P.S I agree he was a traitor.


Dear Members,
is my poor opinion that this is correct.
In any case,during this hard period, was impossible think that personal family questions can disturb the right way of the Justice.
He was traitor, he was shoot.
Farinacci was the bigger defender of the right teory that was necessary an example!
(and is my very personal opinion that some old no good contact from Farinacci and Ciano can help Farinacci with this right teory)
In any case think that no was intern resolution but the result of German pressure (that was really but no very hard) is simple fantasy.
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Luca

PS = Much better men that Ciano was shoots with Ciano !

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Post by Gott » 10 Aug 2002 12:37

isn't Count Ciano mussolini's son-in-law???

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Post by Csaba Becze » 10 Aug 2002 13:40

Mussolini's daughter, Edda was the wife of Ciano. After Ciano's execution, Edda never spoke with his father.

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Some guy named Farrenacci

Post by David Thompson » 11 Aug 2002 16:30

Farinacci, Roberto (1892 [Fascist Italy pps. 194-7] or 1893 [ABR-Italy]-1945) [Italian Lieutenant-General] -- WWI veteran; founder of Fighting Fascists of Cremona (Fascio di combattimento di Cremona), 11 Apr1919; deputy in the Italian parliament 15 May 1921; Mayor of Cremona, 3 Jul 1922; Secretary-general, Italian Fascist Party 1924 (Fascist Italy pps. 194-7) or 12 Jan 1925 (ABR-Italy)-1926; member, Fascist Grand Council (Gran Consiglio) 1935-1945; national counsel to the Chamber of Fascists (Consigliere nazionale della Camera dei Fasci); appointed State Minister (Ministro di Stato) and directed the anti-semitic campaign in Italy, 1938; veteran, Ethiopian war, 1935; veteran, Spanish Civil war, 1937; Fascist Militia (Milizia) Inspector in Albania, 1941; General Consul of the Milizia; leader of Italian Fascist Militia 1944-1945 {arrested and put on trial by an Italian partisan tribunal at Vimercate for war crimes; convicted and sentenced to death; executed at Vimercate 28 Apr (ABR-Italy) or 29 Apr 1945 (NYT 29 Apr 1945:13:1; 30 Apr 1945:1:3, 6:8 & 7:1; LT 30 Apr 1945:4:g; Fascist Italy pps. 194-7).}

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