Count Ciano

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Re: Count Ciano

Post by Simon K » 01 Feb 2009 23:15

How far did Ciano actively manage to influence Mussolini to distance Italy from the Nazis?

Ciano is one of the very few Axis personalties with real independent intellect, much more than Speer, who is in some ways his equivalent.

His writings display a journalist/historians eye and a witty incisiveness.

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Re: Count Galeazzo Ciano

Post by zapdream » 26 May 2009 14:48

Ciano had always been thinking about what was best for Italy. He was a patriot. He was the best friend of the future King of Italy.

Meanwhile Mussolini (his father-in-law) was unpredictable at best, he would say 'yes' to who ever was infront of him - and then forget it when his back was turned. Hitler had broken his word to Mussolini and Italy - Ciano had every reason to question the Axis Agreement and the way the war was unfolding.

Italy was about to face untold death and destruction with an Allied attack. He voted for the return of Monarchy to protect Italy and Italian lives - to say he was guilty of treason is to side with Hitler and the Narzi's. Yes he was against the Axis Agreement - but that doth make treason.

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Re: Count Ciano

Post by Michal78 » 02 May 2010 19:40

Nice photo of Ciano...
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Re: Count Ciano

Post by Michal78 » 02 May 2010 19:43

Ciano with Ribbentrop.
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Re: Count Ciano

Post by Michal78 » 02 May 2010 19:45

And one more...
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Re: Count Ciano

Post by tigre » 02 Dec 2020 02:15

Hello to all :D; better times........................................

Ciano speaks!

Source: https://www.tradera.com/item/341315/360 ... are-i-vast

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Re: Count Ciano

Post by Hans1906 » 02 Dec 2020 16:50

Good afternoon,

one question about the execution of Galeazzo Ciano on january 11th, 1944:

He was executed by a firing squad, sitting on a chair, and he was shot dead in the back.
Was this a common execution method in Italy back then, that would be my question?

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Re: Count Ciano

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 02 Dec 2020 20:57

Hans1906 wrote:
02 Dec 2020 16:50
Good afternoon,

one question about the execution of Galeazzo Ciano on january 11th, 1944:

He was executed by a firing squad, sitting on a chair, and he was shot dead in the back.
Was this a common execution method in Italy back then, that would be my question?

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It is a common execution mode for those convicted of treason. They are shot in the back like they are supposed to have stabbed in the back themselves.
The treason in question concerning Ciano, and others shot with him, was the vote for the deposition of Mussolini during the night of the 24 to the 25 July 1943.

Ciano and others were attached on a chair. But you notice that Ciano, in a last bravado, tried to turn his face at the last moment. He never considered himself as a traitor. He just assumed that the King would make a new government with him, Ciano, in order to make peace with the Allies. At this time, the US conquered Sicily and were bombing Rome. Ciano and others wanted to stop the war without betraying the Germans. But it did not happen.
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Re: Count Ciano

Post by Hans1906 » 02 Dec 2020 21:15

Thanks David,

I was not aware about all the bloody details.

"Revenge" was probably the reason for the execution, and I did not like to share the photos, neither the film clip.

Thank you

Final question, was Ciano shot dead with a handgun after the former execution, or was he already dead after the rifle
fire into his back?

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Re: Count Ciano

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 02 Dec 2020 22:41

Yes. It was usual also to terminate them with a handgun after the shooting. It was to be sure they are dead and won't suffer anymore...

Some say Ciano was still alive, but im not sure. The bullet hit him in the chest. Wounds are rarely lethal, except if the bullet goes through the head or in the heart... that's why they always shot them with a handgun after the shooting. The officer in charge of the shooting personally had to do it himself. This is how all armies were doing.

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Re: Count Ciano

Post by Hans1906 » 07 Dec 2020 17:12

Thank you again, David,

I had to translate your sentence "But you notice that Ciano, in a last bravado, tried to turn his face at the last moment..."

Really strange, what some persons are able to see...
The term "Bravado" was new to me.


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Re: Count Ciano

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 17 Dec 2020 13:02

Hans1906 wrote:
07 Dec 2020 17:12
Thank you again, David,

I had to translate your sentence "But you notice that Ciano, in a last bravado, tried to turn his face at the last moment..."

Really strange, what some persons are able to see...
The term "Bravado" was new to me.


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Yes, Ciano didn't want to be killed like a traitor. And it is right that if he voted for the Grandi's motion during the last Great Council, he didn't want to kick out Mussolini. He just hoped a new government which would negotiate with the Allies.
You can see there :
fucilazione-900x.jpg
Ciano is the only one looking back upon his shoulder in order to see when they would shoot, so he could turn himself at the last second.

There is an even better photo which shows Ciano turning himself at the very last moment and taking the shoot... but I can't find it online.
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