Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

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Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by dont tell them pike » 16 Apr 2017 14:41

Hello,
did the Italians issue Italian uniforms to the former Montenegrin/ Zeta province ex Yugoslav gendarmerie regiment in July 1942 ,when it was replaced by the new ' National gendarmerie' ?
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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by druid12 » 16 Apr 2017 19:36

Hi, I would say no, and assume the existing local police and gendarmes would carry on with their duties and original uniforms, it wasn't incorporated into the kingdom like Albania.

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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by zaptiè » 18 Apr 2017 15:26

For the gendarmes was reuseded the traditional name of "krilasci" and was proposed a new uniform , but no have notice if it was approvated and usated. The Gendarmerie was " de facto" incorporated as auxiliare of the Carabinieri , italian MP.
The phtos show , at early period at last, the original Yug Uniforms but with no cap insigna.
The few police men , if of montenegrin origin rest in service with italian police, the non montenegrin sent in Serbia.

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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by dont tell them pike » 19 Apr 2017 09:36

Interesting information Zapite, do you have that photo showing the momtenegro gemdarmes ?

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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by triffid » 20 Apr 2017 09:22

I would have thought the Italians would follow German policy and retain existing police/gendarmerie in the original uniforms.
http://kokosar.com/ZZPI1918.html

Slovene regiment of the Yugoslavian gendarmerie, same uniform worn in Montenegro.

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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by triffid » 20 Apr 2017 09:32

Also in the book "Fascisms European empire " it mentions that in Montenegrin officials and gendarmes had to pledge alleigence to Italy and that in occupied Slovenia there were 1500 royal military police and working alongside them 500 former Yugoslav gendarmes.
A short table at the back of the book has- in Zadar, 38 gendarmes in grey green Italian uniforms, Split- 37 gendarmes in grey green uniforms, Kotor- 4 gendarmes in Italian CCRR uniforms (not sure what CCRR is ) and Ljubljana/Slovenia - 190 gendarmes in the old Yugoslav uniforms, although the Slovene police did get grey uniforms red? collar patchess, peaked caps, high boots.

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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by zaptiè » 21 Apr 2017 11:00

Dear Triffid , you information is very interesting, but I think we must note:
1) Zadar , Zara in italian was annexed by Italy in 1918 , so it is like a normal italian Town vith italian police and Carabinieri; the book ( what is is exat title and autor?)maybe tell it of Zara area( Dalmatia- Dalmazia) annexed in 1941?
2)Split and Kotor , (Spalato and Cattaro in italian) was annexed to Italy in 1941 ,not part of Montenegro.
3) CCRR means Royal Carabinieri , the italian Military Police , : the ex gendarmes are attached normaly at this corp as logic.
4) Lubiana Police receive standard italian police uniforms ( dark blue with maroon piping)but with different cap Badge (a slovene eagle, instead of italian eagle): in a slovene book i have see a lot of photos about.

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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by triffid » 04 May 2017 19:03

Hello,you are correct about the towns,I've found my the table from the book 'Fascisms European empire' by Davide Rodogno.
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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by wardenhill » 07 Apr 2019 08:45

The Yugoslav gendarmerie got newer modern uniforms and insignia ("Two centuries of the police in Serbia" , by Branko Bogdanovic) , introduced late 1939 onwards, but not fully introduced by the April 1941 invasion.
The uniform , called the 1938 uniform was to be worn by all by November 1941, with officers privately purchasing theirs.
The 1938 uniform was similar to the earlier 1920s-30s uniform but now grey-green with all ranks having an officers style crowned peaked cap. The breast pocket was now internal replacing the pleated pockets, army style collar patches with a button at the rear of the patch, no cuff piping (except for officers).
There was a white or off white tunic introduced in 1939.
The royal gendarmes had the same uniform called the 1939 uniform ,but with silver German style lintzen on the collar patches.
As the 1938 uniform wasn't fully introduced, the older ones were still used with the newer grey-green cap and the the newer collar patches , cuff piping or the loop may have been removed.

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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by wardenhill » 07 Apr 2019 10:37

The gendarmerie was also 'auxiliary army,' ,and used army rank insignia.
Officers had brown sam brown belts ,pistol, high knee boots, gendarmes with brown belts, Austria -Hungarian ammunition pouches, pistols, leather leggings.

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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by wardenhill » 07 Apr 2019 10:45

I would assume that the proposed uniform Zaptie refers to would be the 1938 grey-green green uniform perhaps confirming the use of the older uniform but with the 1938 collar patches.

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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by wardenhill » 07 Apr 2019 12:27

In "Police uniforms of the world" by FG Blakeslee , the Yugoslav gendarmerie uniform is olive drab.

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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by wardenhill » 07 Apr 2019 12:30

1938 grey green caps and the 1920s-30s gendarmerie uniform from the collection of Nebojsa Milanovic a collector from Serbia.
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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by wardenhill » 07 Apr 2019 12:39

Photo of gendarme corporal Milenko Brakovic killed by partisans in July 1941 in old uniform with 1938 collar patch and grey-green cap and no cuff piping loop.
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Re: Montenegrin gendarmerie 1941-43 ?

Post by wardenhill » 07 Apr 2019 12:41

Armed gendarmes late 1920s-30s.
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