German-Italian Relations?

George Lerner · Post by **George Lerner** » 14 Feb 2006 15:21

I'm just wondering about the relations between Hitler and Mussonli.

Also my second question is the relations were good enough for the Germans to make an honorary title for an Italian Division 'Mussolini'

nurenig · Post by **nurenig** » 14 Feb 2006 16:03

Well I dont think they where that good considering the Italains didnt tell Hitler about the Invasion of Greece.

Warager · Post by **Warager** » 14 Feb 2006 20:11

my second question is the relations were good enough for the Germans to make an honorary title for an Italian Division 'Mussolini'

there was 2 divisions in the waffen ss with italian soldiers and one was named karstjager and the other was not even named by the germans so i think it was impossible for a division to be named after Mussolini

Deine-Zukunft · Post by **Deine-Zukunft** » 14 Feb 2006 20:49

Hitler and Mussolini were best mates though there are few conflicts between them.

- Hitler didnt tell his invasion of France not even his plans what he are going to do.

- Mussolini got angry when Germany didnt help Finland in winter war.

- Hitler didnt tell about barbarossa even to his most closest comrade.

- Mussolini got angry cause Hitler agreed russo-german pact.

- Mussolini feared Hitlers occupations before the war and tried to restrain Hitler.

- Mussolini got ashamed cause of his miserable army and finally got mad and did one another insane commands and Hitler tolerated this far too long and too friendly if we look what was the most important thing for Germany and wehrmacht.

Vice versa

- Hitler got very mad about Mussolinis attack to Greece.Hitler had expressly told Mussolini not to attack Greece and Mussolini consciously attacked and not regarding Hitlers warning and eventually Hitler had to help him.

- Hitler got mad about Mussolinis wretched crusade plan in North-Africa.

Hitler and Mussolini had very good relations and when Mussolini spoke to germans in 1938(im not sure about the year) german audience went totally mad about his speech and incited him and that Mussolini liked,germans inciting him.In italy one of Mussolinis speeches he said that Italy is bounded to Germany(declaration of war speech) and yelled sieg heil to italians and italians too yelled this slogan.

Italians and germans had good relations but cause Italy was militarily imperfect and war started to go badly,relationship between these 2 nations started chill especially in Italy anti-german feelings and movements started to be popular.

Davide Pastore · Post by **Davide Pastore** » 14 Feb 2006 20:58

George Lerner wrote:I'm just wondering about the relations between Hitler and Mussonli.

The relation between the two persons (different from: between the two countries) was 100% friendly during the entire war, first day to last day. Although Hitler might occasionally going mad about something the Italian nation did, he never got angry against his good old friend Benito.

George Lerner wrote:Also my second question is the relations were good enough for the Germans to make an honorary title for an Italian Division 'Mussolini'

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that official German policy was to name a division / a ship / an air wing etc. after a dead person, not an alive one.

Davide

Deine-Zukunft · Post by **Deine-Zukunft** » 14 Feb 2006 21:05

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think that official German policy was to name a division / a ship / an air wing etc. after a dead person, not an alive one.

Yes allthough what i have heard.

Good example for that would be Graf Spee.

Davide Pastore · Post by **Davide Pastore** » 14 Feb 2006 21:12

Actually it is the policy followed by nearly all navies around the globe, the last USN aircraft carriers (Reagan, Bush) being a noteworthy exception.

Davide

|AXiN| · Post by **|AXiN|** » 15 Feb 2006 00:10

And the LSSAH, of course.

Pips · Post by **Pips** » 20 Feb 2006 12:05

One of the best books on the subject of the close relationship between Hitler and Mussolini is by MacGregor Knox, titled "Common Destiny: Dictatorship, Foreign Policy, and War in Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany".

It covers in detail the Summits between the two, the close bond of friendship that existed through to the end, the changing role between the two men (Mussolini was in fact Hitlers mentor for quite a while), each countrie sfighting prowess in relation to the other, the factors that contributed to both each mans grab for power and how each country was ripe for a form of dictatorship; even deals with the italian view of Germany's bitter race war against the Jews and Mussolini's determination not to give in to a similar actions.

Really recommend it for anyone keen to understand Italy's role in WWII.

landser32 · Post by **landser32** » 09 Mar 2006 18:50

I recently viewed the Leon Degrille series made in 1981 that was transferred to DVD and he states that it was Hitlers friendship the Il duce that cost him the war period and he makes a good case for that. From the Invasion of Greece that put off Barbarossa by a month to his failed attempt to invade Egypt with 3 to 1 odds in favor AND his declining of 2 German armored divisions before even doing so is what Degriille points out.

If you can find it, get it.

Landser32

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Sudetenlander · Post by **Sudetenlander** » 10 Apr 2006 06:13

I believe at first they were rivals until just after the Spanish Civil War and Italy's invasion of Ethiopia/Abussinia in 1937. Prior to that, Mussolini opposed Hitler's vision of anschluss with Austria. The two of them met in Venice in 1934 and it appears it did not go well. Afterwards, Mussolini had viewed Hitler as a junior partner to the Axis.

Mussolini facilitated the Munich agreement and the annexation of the Sudetenland; however, he was upset with Hitler when he occupied the remainder of Czechoslovakia in 1939. Mussolini saw Germany as carving out its own empire in europe, and IMO, this is the reason why Mussolini took over Albania.

tigre · Post by **tigre** » 03 Dec 2021 12:02

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Hans1906 · Post by **Hans1906** » 03 Dec 2021 18:28

A Bibliotheca Hertziana research project looks at the official art and architecture in Fascist Italy between 1936 and 1943, during the period of the ‘Rome-Berlin Axis’ proclaimed by Mussolini. The way in which the regime presented itself and the way in which the two totalitarian states perceived and influenced each other is of particular interest. The study focuses on Adolf Hitler’s visit to Rome in 1938, the events leading up to it and its consequences.

Source: https://www.mpg.de/376970/forschungsSchwerpunkt

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All questions were perfectly answered by Herr Mark Costa at that time.

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