At what point did Germany lose WW2?

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Re: At what point did Germany lose WW2?

Post by ljadw » 01 Aug 2020 09:01

Paul Lakowski wrote:
31 Jul 2020 23:19
ljadw wrote:
30 Jul 2020 13:48
Paul Lakowski wrote:
30 Jul 2020 03:29
ljadw wrote:
29 Jul 2020 18:29
Gallup polls are not very serious : they predicted GOP victories in 1936 and 1948 and a Democratic victory in 2016 .

Too Roosevelt GALLUP POLLs allowed him to steer a course through politics and he never went any were with out them. They repeatly told him to avoid war , especially in Europe.

It was critical to America's entry into the war.

Churchill ALMOST had to cave in to the war-cabinet during DUNKIRK and enter peace negotiations through Mussolini in mid 1940. When he turned to Roosevelt for help , he hid behind the legalities of Congressional politics and had to refuse any help to Churchill.
To refuse any help to Churchill? And the Destroyer Deal ?
And The British Purchasing Commission in the USA? There was no German Purchasing Commission .
And Cash and Carry ? Adopted by Congress in November..1939 .
Cash and Carry was restricted to Britain and France .
If you sell war materials to one party and refuse to sell them to the other party,it is obvious that you make a choice .
AT THAT CRITICAL JUNCTURE IN TIME he bowed to congressional rules and refused Churchill , thus painting him into the corner as the WAR Cabinet forced him into peace talks with Herr Hitler.
There were no British peace talks with Hitler

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Re: At what point did Germany lose WW2?

Post by Paul Lakowski » 01 Aug 2020 16:46

ljadw wrote:
01 Aug 2020 09:01


There were no British peace talks with Hitler
Really !!!!! READ some history and stop polluting the forum with propaganda and misinformation.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_cabin ... ,_May_1940

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Re: At what point did Germany lose WW2?

Post by ljadw » 02 Aug 2020 05:24

Your source does not mention peace talks with Britain .

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Re: At what point did Germany lose WW2?

Post by ljadw » 02 Aug 2020 06:11

If there were peace talks,we would know everything about it : chairman and members of the British delegation,ditto for the German delegation,where and when did the peace talks happen,instructions for both delegations, why there was no peace..
What Halifax proposed was to look after the German demands (which does not implies a contact with the Germans ) :if these demands were reasonable(very improbable ),one could decide or not ,to start negotiations,if (as it was expected ) these demands were unacceptable,the war would continue .
Even these proposals were rejected by the war cabinet,especially by Chamberlain,who was till he resigned because of bad health, the real leader, it was not Churchill .
Thus : nothing happened: London did even not inquire what were the German demands and there were no peace talks .
Al the rest are inventions by journalists and would be historians to make money by reconstructing history .
On September 3 1939,Chamberlain said that the war would last til the total destruction of national socialism and at no point during the war was Britain changing this policy .
The Unconditional Surrender claim was not formulated in 1943,it was the aim with which Britain started the war . There would be no peace talks with Hitler and there were never peace talks with Hitler .

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Re: At what point did Germany lose WW2?

Post by Yuri » 02 Aug 2020 08:48

ljadw wrote:
02 Aug 2020 06:11
On September 3 1939,Chamberlain said that the war would last til the total destruction of national socialism and at no point during the war was Britain changing this policy .
British Prime Minister Chamberlain said a lot of different things.
A year before September 3, 1939, or rather September 30, 1938, British Prime Minister Chamberlain, waving a piece of paper, declared that he had brought peace for a generation.
So I would not attach absolute importance to the words of political figures: For them to say or promise anything is like hitting the pavement with two fingers.

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Re: At what point did Germany lose WW2?

Post by ljadw » 02 Aug 2020 10:15

I was talking about what he said during the war .What he said before the war is not very relevant for what he did/said during the war .
Peace and war were two different situations.

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Re: At what point did Germany lose WW2?

Post by Yuri » 02 Aug 2020 10:22

Not true. War is a continuation of politics only by other means

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Re: At what point did Germany lose WW2?

Post by Max Payload » 02 Aug 2020 11:23

Paul Lakowski wrote:
01 Aug 2020 16:46
ljadw wrote:
01 Aug 2020 09:01


There were no British peace talks with Hitler
Really !!!!! READ some history and stop polluting the forum with propaganda and misinformation.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_cabin ... ,_May_1940
Please indicate which part of the link you provided suggests that Britain conducted peace talks with Hitler.
In the critical last week of May, Churchill had the backing of all but one member of the war cabinet and the entirety of the wider cabinet for his ‘no negotiation’ policy. Halifax advocated exploring the possibility of Italian or US mediation in line with French proposals, but Chamberlain, Halifax’s closest ally in the war cabinet was primarily concerned with keeping France in the fight by stalling on the issue and keeping alive French hopes of a joint approach to Mussolini.
There were no British peace talks with Hitler and there were never going to be any peace talks with Hitler. That penny didn’t drop in Germany until the middle of July.

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Re: At what point did Germany lose WW2?

Post by glenn239 » 04 Aug 2020 16:06

ljadw wrote:
02 Aug 2020 06:11
There would be no peace talks with Hitler and there were never peace talks with Hitler .
While I tend to agree with you on this point, I would note that one of the things missing from the records of the war are Hitler's personal papers and library of diplomatic correspondence.

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