Similarities between Adolf Hitler and Napoleon Bonaparte

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Similarities between Adolf Hitler and Napoleon Bonaparte

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Post by marauder4155 » 14 Nov 2002, 23:34

Both Nepoleon and Hitler had a lot of similarities.
Firstly both fought for a nation in which they were not born in. Nepoleon was a Corsican (part of the French kingdom but still not the mainland) and Hitler was Austrian. Both were great Empire buliders, visionaries, army men, shorter in height than most men of their time, brillaint etc.
Both lost in their campaign in Russia (or the Soviet Union in Hitlers case). Both had England (Great Britian) as their enemies and in both the cases Britian played a major role in their downfall.
Quite similar dont you guys think? :|

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Post by Andy » 15 Nov 2002, 04:38

No. Napoleon was a great leader but Hitler was a dope fiend.


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Post by fanatic » 15 Nov 2002, 19:06

More similarities....Hitler's attempted putsch in Munich was on November 9,1923;Napoleon's coup d'etat of Bramaise was on November 9,1799.

At the end of the Napoleonic wars,Russian troops threw Napoleon's banners at the feet of Czar Alexander I while the Russians at the end of World War II threw flags of captured German units at the foot of Lenin's tomb in a mass ceremony.

Napoleon died in May 5;Hitler attempted to hold out in Berlin until May 5,but committed suicide April 30,1945.


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Post by witness » 15 Nov 2002, 20:14

Some unsimilarities with regard to Russia:
Napoleon entered Moscow.Hitler didn't
Napoleon concentrated his forces in one direction.Hitler struck in three directions.
Napoleonic forces were not commiting atrocities on the Russian soil.
Hitler'armies did.
Stalingrad and Kursk were decisive battles in the WW2.
Borodino was not( Russians didn't win the battle it was basically a draw). Waterloo battle was more important in defeating Napoleon.
Napoleon was much more gifted from the military point of view .
Hitler was quite a poor military commander.

But I agree - there are some similarities.

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Post by marauder4155 » 16 Nov 2002, 18:32

Amazing facts fanatic. Witness, I do not think Hitler was a poor military commander throughout his term. He just became arrogant and overconfident later. In the French campaign except the Dunkirk mistake(a big mistake), his plan worked perfectly.

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Post by marauder4155 » 02 Dec 2002, 03:50

It is offensive both to our reason and to our experience to be asked to believe that the [young] Hitler...was the stuff of which...Caesars and Bonapartes, are made. Yet the record is there to prove us wrong.
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Re: Similarities between Adolf Hitler and Napoleon Bonaparte

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Post by finnguy » 12 Dec 2009, 03:44

Pride hindered both of theirs military exploits.
Don't fight a battle if you don't gain anything by winning.
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Post by fanatic » 13 Dec 2009, 03:25

for me hitler is better than napoleon in terms of broad strategies,from northern,western,southern(including north africa) and eastern fronts which napoleon did'nt have...

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Post by Karl » 13 Dec 2009, 08:07

Francis II, Alexander I, von Blücher, Wellington - Roseevelt, Churchill, Eisenhower, Patton. MacArthur 8O all were enlightened by their personal gurus into that admirable and humble state: assumable holy grail of instant (mtv/cnn/flax) modern happiness and success: The Un- Pride. :D Had Napoleon and Hitler only hired the proper personal advisers/trainers! :x

And similarities: [one minute flash]...none (those who like coincidences that's fine but where do they go and what do they mean? a realm step-by-stepping unconfidently closer and closer to a religion.

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Post by phylo_roadking » 19 Dec 2009, 00:22

Churchill....enlightened by their personal gurus into that admirable and humble state
In Winston's case those gurus were named Johnnie Walker and Remy Martin! :lol: And even the most humble of us can drink from THOSE fountains of knowledge...

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Post by KenL » 21 Jan 2010, 02:20

Both lacked a coherent and rational strategic vision and end state.

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Post by Ascan » 31 Jan 2010, 00:43

"Both lacked a coherent and rational strategic vision" it is not true for Napoleon. Hitler was not ever rational sur. He has his own "reasonsNapoleonic forces were not commiting atrocities on the Russian soil." exact ever the russians
"Hitler was quite a poor military commander." Ardennes. you would have lost against him. he was never at the front. He was thinking politicaly.
Both loved their legend, both have forgotten England for Russia.

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Post by doogal » 23 Mar 2010, 17:43

Most will say Napoleon was a far more gifted tactician than Hitler and in his youth this was certainly true. Napoleon though must be the most over rated commander in history.
eg, Borodino: Napoleon missed several opportunities and attacked head on into a well defended position: He did not have to do this Read War of Wars by Harvey which lays out his mistakes in simple and plain language.
He conducted one great battle Austerlitz in this he showed flair cunning tenacity and a grasp of strategy far above his previous battles. Itlay was nothing more than a few army corps constantly outflanking each other while Napoleon achieved success his task can be seen in a rational light when we look at the re-capture of these same areas by Suvarov( i think no ref book next to me)
Napoleons perforemance at Elau(wrong spelling) / Marengo / Waterloo / Jena & his sending of davout to auerstadt / Aspern-essling leave much to be desired. He was no innovator but he did use what had been built by Dumoriez and Carnot effectively. His sending subordinates into Spain was a blunder of massive proportions.

Hitler in essence was no commander he did not lead nor take part in any battles during ww2 his input was enlightened at times for an amateur but in effect he handicapped the german war effort by not creating a rational command structure which could effectively control theatres and commanders. As he took the title commander in chief he clearly has to be held accountable and as such cannot rate as a military commander. I am no fan of Napoleon but in military terms the two should not be compared.

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Re: Similarities between Adolf Hitler and Napoleon Bonaparte

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Post by LWD » 23 Mar 2010, 18:37

marauder4155 wrote:Both Nepoleon and Hitler had a lot of similarities. .... Both were great Empire buliders,
Really? I consider one of the fundamental properties of a "great Empire" is a bit of longivity. Both of theirs crumbled well before they died.
... shorter in height than most men of their time, ...
Are you sure about that? I've heard that one of the reasons Napleon is thought to be short is an incorrect conversion from the scale of the time to English measurements. What was the average hight of men in say 1800? Just how tall was Napoleon?

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Post by phylo_roadking » 23 Mar 2010, 23:18

Really? I consider one of the fundamental properties of a "great Empire" is a bit of longivity. Both of theirs crumbled well before they died
Ah, but Napoleon's DID have longevity.....just not necessarily where you'd expect it :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empire_style

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