"Goosestep" parade march.

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"Goosestep" parade march.

Postby Alexey » 04 Jan 2003 22:15

Read about it in other thread, and remembered, that I always wanted to know, why this march was outlawed in Western Germany.
Look at Soviet parades (modern Russians, though good, are just a weak copies). It`s amazing to see.
I remember, when Russian troops finally left Germany, it was a kind of the little parade. Germans with their awful knee-turning steps looked silly comparing to marching Russians.
Why the beauty of the parades should suffer because of some politic motives? Why Germans have no right to march, like they did it before?

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Postby Angelo » 05 Jan 2003 00:26

Though it's only an opinion, I doubt that in such a case politics should be the reason for abandoning such a parade style of marching.

I would consider that, almost as anything else, that style offers
a few attractive points, such as
the almost acrobatic qualities needed to implement it, its
marked aspect of cohesion and determination, as well as pride,
power and fitness.
It also conveys more funny impressions of an unnatural
stiffness, robotic performance, circus styled show, and
that old yellowish color typical of aged pictures and papers.

I think that opting out of such a choice might be due to the
different way of looking at the icon of a marching unit, in relation
to the feelings and notions we have today, as opposed to what
was an almost stereotyped image in the 40's and earlier.

Possibly, a political consideration was added too, in that such
a march step was featured by the Communist armed forces and
by the pro-Fascist military "juntas" of South America, while abandoned,
or rarely employed, by the forces of democratic countries.

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Goosestep marching style

Postby Guderian » 05 Jan 2003 01:49

I can name several Latin American and European countries that still use the Prussian style of marching, and doesn't nothing to do with the nazis.

The goosestep style comes from the Prussians, since Bismarck times, so I don't see any reason except a remembering of the past (58 years after the fall of the Third Reich seems not enough time for the "victorious" allies), why the actual German Bundenstwher can not return to their original marching traditions, except as I said, to not offend the rest of their neighbors.

Chile, Argentina, Peru, Ukraine, Bielorussia, Russian Federation, Poland, those are the countries that still use the goosestep for their marching soldiers and nobody complaint. Also in many others Latin American countries like Mexico, Venezuela, the Dominican Republic, Brazil and others, theirs Honor Guards at some special and important places like Simon Bolivar Tomb at Caracas, the Honor Guard use the goosestep at the Guards Change of Command. I have seen that in Caracas and also in Buenos Aires with the San Martin’s Grenadiers change of guard at the tomb of General San Martin.

The Prussian martial style have been copied by many countries for a long time before AH.

I think that Germany deserves the right to use their own original traditions especially if these are not-Nazi origin.

Guderian

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:)

Postby Oleg Grigoryev » 05 Jan 2003 02:01

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Postby Galahad » 05 Jan 2003 02:14

The Paradeschritt or 'Parade March' was originally a Russian march step.

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Postby varjag » 05 Jan 2003 03:46

The most ardent goose-steppers today seems to be the North Koreans,judging by recent media-coverage of that country. As for it's orgins - wasn't there an Italian term for it during Mussolini or even before where it was termed 'Paso Romano'? Suggesting that it might be a lot older than Prussia or Russia?

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Postby DarExc » 05 Jan 2003 05:21

Even the worst communist countries don't dictate to people how they can walk. Its disgusting to think of all the millions who died to free Germany and it can still ban other political parties and anything to do with the war.

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Postby Angelo » 05 Jan 2003 06:13

DarExc wrote:Even the worst communist countries don't dictate to people how they can walk. Its disgusting to think of all the millions who died to free Germany and it can still ban other political parties and anything to do with the war.


:D You're right, DarExc, they usually enjoyed dictating their people how and when to die :lol:

Now, seriously, I respect all those Germans who fought to free their Country from Caesar's times up to now. I don't respect those German
National Socialists who died while killing millions of innocent people and
celebrating maybe at the sound of some soul-stirring music, marching
down the avenues at goosestep cadence.

I do agree that if prohibiting or just abandoning such a marching style
is due to political reasons is a silly way to show one's concern for democratic values.

I'd like to point out however that there's a universal trend concerning the
utilization of traditions that shows that if the last example of a given tradition was connected to a "a posteriori" (that is subsequent) negative judgment of the political or whatever other element that tradition was linked to, usually that last negative consideration brought to abolish it.
Just an example of what I meant. Everybody knows that the so-called
"roman salute" (whether in its Italian or Nazi version) was popular and
conventional among the military (and among civil society too) since
the Roman days.
However, since the last adoption of that salute was decided by Mussolini,
and owing to the fact that the Mussolini Regime, that is Fascism, was
subsequently considered a substantially negative experience, that salute
was mandatorily discontinued since the days of the Italian armistice
with the Allies.
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Postby kellysartin » 05 Jan 2003 06:16

I always thought it was the most buetiful thing, the goose step. My favorite Ballet.

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Postby Navy Vet » 05 Jan 2003 06:52

Regardless of all the details it is nonetheless very graceful.

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Postby John W » 05 Jan 2003 07:37

I agree...

I sometimes try to imitate it but never works out right. I there some place where one can see an actual goose-step in action?

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Postby baratol » 05 Jan 2003 07:42

WHAT did this goose step look like ? i seem not to be able to imagine it
I think i never saw
Anybody has a pic or better a little video ?

Thanks

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Postby Gott » 05 Jan 2003 09:40

What's so funny with that picture Oleg? Didn't the Russians had something similar?

I like to see soldiers goosestepping, it looks way better than the way the Japanese soldiers marched. I laughed.

And BTW China and North Korea use goosestepping amrches too. The ex-DDR used that kind of march too.

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Postby Galahad » 05 Jan 2003 10:12

If you want to see the goose step in action, tune in to the History Channel. About every other offering will have an example. <g>

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Postby Mike K. » 05 Jan 2003 13:11

It's obviously shunned because when people see Germans goosestepping they cry "NAZI!" You won't see the Roman salute anytime soon either, and the swastika isn't just an ancient symbol of good fortune. ;)


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