German troops to suffer twice in Russian winter
German troops to suffer twice in Russian winter
Why the Wehrmacht soldiers having suffered so much in 1941 near Moscow because of the unprepared clothing and fuel still suffer the same near Stalingrad in 1942? I want your opinions on this matter. Is this grand stupidity of german command or over-confidence?
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Basically because the 6th Army was cut off. As far as I know, troops on other sections of the front did not suffer from lack of winter clothing that winter.Why the Wehrmacht soldiers having suffered so much in 1941 near Moscow because of the unprepared clothing and fuel still suffer the same near Stalingrad in 1942? I want your opinions on this matter. Is this grand stupidity of german command or over-confidence?
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I also heard it was the coldest winter ever recorded up untill that time.
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Stalingrad stategic offensive began on November 19th - it is already quite cold by that time.Qvist wrote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Basically because the 6th Army was cut off. As far as I know, troops on other sections of the front did not suffer from lack of winter clothing that winter.Why the Wehrmacht soldiers having suffered so much in 1941 near Moscow because of the unprepared clothing and fuel still suffer the same near Stalingrad in 1942? I want your opinions on this matter. Is this grand stupidity of german command or over-confidence?
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Re: German troops to suffer twice in Russian winter
I think it may be the first one ISU. There is no other reason. Italians not any different either in the same case.ISU-152 wrote: Is this grand stupidity of german command or over-confidence?
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Why the Wehrmacht soldiers having suffered so much in 1941 near Moscow because of the unprepared clothing and fuel still suffer the same near Stalingrad in 1942? I want your opinions on this matter. Is this grand stupidity of german command or over-confidence?
best regards,
Sergei
Oh really, ask the Russian Bolsheviks do they break the lines of the German 4th Army during the Battle of Moscow under the command of General Gotthard Heinrici, the most brilliant and acknowledge master of defensive battles that not even one of the Russian generals came close to his level..
Panzermahn, it is also a sad, sad thing that you continue to use the word Bolshevik in conjuction with the word Russian without even knowing what it means. In the context of Bolsheviks being the dominant Communist faction, then the two words also form an oxymoronic phrase. So, you fly off and find out what it means, and get back to me.
What on earth has this got to do with this thread anyway??????panzermahn wrote:Why the Wehrmacht soldiers having suffered so much in 1941 near Moscow because of the unprepared clothing and fuel still suffer the same near Stalingrad in 1942? I want your opinions on this matter. Is this grand stupidity of german command or over-confidence?
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Sergei
Oh really, ask the Russian Bolsheviks do they break the lines of the German 4th Army during the Battle of Moscow under the command of General Gotthard Heinrici, the most brilliant and acknowledge master of defensive battles that not even one of the Russian generals came close to his level..
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i didn't say chuikov is not good...what he did durin stalingrad is exceptional too...But between Chuikov and Heinrici, i would say Heinrici is the better one in defensive battles...Not just during th battle of Moscow that Heinrici performed against all the odds but during the battle of Seelowe Heights where Germany is in its dying throes, still he defied Zhukov for 3 days with whatever me and supplies he had
i didn't say chuikov is not good...what he did durin stalingrad is exceptional too...But between Chuikov and Heinrici, i would say Heinrici is the better one in defensive battles...Not just during th battle of Moscow that Heinrici performed against all the odds but during the battle of Seelowe Heights where Germany is in its dying throes, still he defied Zhukov for 3 days with whatever me and supplies he had
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It was overconfidence by the Germans (Hitler and OKW), as the commanders in the Heer had all been against any Russian offensive from the start. Another mark of good generalship is knowing when something is stupid!
Also, that winter was indeed so cold that even the Russians couldn't fight in it.. During many periods in Stalingrad buildings were occupied by both German and Russian soldiers hiding out from the cold in a sort of truce... though not a real one.
Also, that winter was indeed so cold that even the Russians couldn't fight in it.. During many periods in Stalingrad buildings were occupied by both German and Russian soldiers hiding out from the cold in a sort of truce... though not a real one.
Speaking of November 19th, the start of Soviet offensive was very cold. There was a snow blizzard one would not see for more than 100 meters. Tanks had to be committed carefully not to smash supporting infantry. The aviation would not work in these conditions. So the question is basically not about surrounded troops of 6th Army but what the heck the superintendants of 6th Army were doing prior to encirclement? :roll: The cold weather in that part starts at early October.Qvist wrote:True enough Oleg - you¨d think winter clothing would have been moved in by then. Still the kez to that question resides in whether there was a similar situation elsewhere I think. Does anzbody know%
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The soviet troops fighting in the city had a proper attire as early as september. And they had it much rougher than the germans. I know the Italians and Romanians had lack of clothes, too.
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