Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by John Hilly » 05 Feb 2013 13:32

robes66 wrote:You have right, I have czech keyboard without german letters.. some time i write Roemerstadt.
In the POST A REPLY box press Ω button between the Font Colour and map buttons.
There you can pick up the letter you need outside your keyboard.
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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by JU187 » 01 Apr 2013 23:42

I have a couple updates.

The first has to do with confirmed unit his brother Friedrich served in:
Alfred (who is the subject of this post) had a brother who died in the war named Friedrich Neumann. No information was known about him, and he was not in the database of fallen soldiers. I wrote to the Berlin war agency and got the following information it may be relevant with them being brothers and from the same town. Friedrich was in the 83rd Infantry Division, in the 7th Company of Grenadier-Regiment 277. He is listed as missing in action on 16 Jan 1943 in Velikiye Luki, Russia. This leads me to believe he was a POW because that is the same day that Germany surrendered to the Soviets. From what I understand a garrison of a few thousand Germans were encircled and the 277 Regiment was one of the groups that were attempting to hold their ground in the town until reinforcements arrived.

The second, on closer inspection in the photo attached to this post of Alfred wearing the German tunic, I believe there is a "10" clearly visible on the shoulder button. Not sure if anyone can use that to help piece together that unit or company within the narrative of being recruited in the Sudetenland. Thanks!!

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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by robes12 » 09 Apr 2013 21:11

Brian, the Number "10" is from 10. Infantry Regiment see please here :
http://forum.valka.cz/viewtopic.php/tit ... 8/t/120410
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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by JU187 » 18 Apr 2014 23:37

Update

I sent away to the German War department about a year ago and got a reply back. Alfred the subject of this post served in the following areas below. Someone pointed out due to his age he was most likely a replacement soldier which it looks like he was. Here is the info. Just wanted to close this out.
He was a Sudetenland German absorbed into the Wehrmacht in 1940. What I take is he was a bicycle cavalry and then a replacement soldier who most likely was called to the front line because of the losses incurred as Operation Barbarossa hit winter and the Russians started to push back into 1942 spring/summer. I assume he was killed in some phase of the Battle of Rzev/Operation Mars assault from the Russians. The time frame matches with Operation Wirbelwind. Please feel fee to interpret this better if any experts can understand it better. Couple things I don't understand is the mention of Stammlager XIA in 1941 and it also shows one date of 31.03.1942 as Kriegswehrmachts gefangnis Brussel-St Gilles. From what I understand this was a Prison. but days later he's shown in Battalion 398. Anyway, any info anyone would like to share, please do. Thanks again for all your help.

1940: 3. Kompanie Radfahr - Ersatz schwere Kavallerie Ersatz Abteilung 14. Standort: Ludwigslust
1941: 3. Kompannie Kavallerie Ersatz Abteilung 14 Standort: Ludwigslust.
1941: Stammlager XIA Kommandantur Alten-Graben
1941: 3. Kompannie Kavallerie Ersatz Abteilung 14 Standort: Ludwigslust.
1942: Kreigswehrmachts Gefängnis Brussel-St.Gilles
1942: 3. Kompanie Schutzen Ersatz Kompanie Infanterie Ersatz Batallion 398 Standort: Goslar
1942: 1 Kompanie Infanterie Regiment 82 31. Infanterie Division

Einsatsraum August 1942: Osten Juchnow
Gefallen: 18.8.1942 Olenino Russland

Der Sterbefall ist am 20.03.1943 beim Standesamt Janowitz unter der Nummer 2 beurkundet worden

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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by history1 » 20 Apr 2014 11:47

"1941: Stammlager XIA Kommandantur Alten-Graben"
= https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalag_XI-A
Your guy was part of the commander's office staff there.

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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by manu895 » 11 Jan 2015 21:16

Hello Ju187
By coincidence, a friend came to this forum. It told me that someone is looking for alfred neumann. I had done it once before a few years. But I only got the answer, where he had fallen, and on which he was buried cemetery. He was my grandfather. My mother's father. When I showed her the two photos that you've posted here, she was totally surprised. She recognized him. One photo always hung in the living room with my grandma. I hope we can share even further. would be very happy. There are still so many questions. because maybe you can help me a bit. or maybe I can ask you to answer a few open from you. Looking forward to your response

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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by GregSingh » 12 Jan 2015 00:57

Confusion about Alfred's place of death comes from the fact that his unit - 31.Inf Div - was moved from near Juchnow to Temkino on the 14th of August 1942 to stop Soviet attack towards Wjasma.

German map from 18th of August shows 31.ID location between Wjasma-Kaluga rail line and Worja river.
31.ID - 18 Aug 1942.jpg
Detailed map shows Olenino, between Stepaniki and Paschino, near Worja river.
Olenino 1942.jpg
Olenino does not exist today, coordinates are 55.171219, 34.984476.
Olenino 2015.jpg
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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by manu895 » 12 Jan 2015 22:08

Thank you for the post of maps. Unfortunately, my English is not so good, so I have to work with a translation program. It's so great that so many people deal with this issue. Unfortunately, I know me in this forum is not as good as everything is in English. I would strongly contact with the Member JU187 take me to exchange times. Can anyone produce this contact me? I do not know how I can write to a member of a private mail. THANK YOU for your help.

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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by history1 » 13 Jan 2015 12:47

Hi manu895,

you just need to click on the bubble at "Contact" below his avatar and then to choose what you want to write. Private Message which he will get in this forum or an E-mail.
You might also use this link to his profile and use the links there:
http://forum.axishistory.com/memberlist ... le&u=58366

Based on the fact that JU187 was the last time active here in the forum in July 2014 I would suggest to write an E-mail.

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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by manu895 » 13 Jan 2015 20:39

Hi history1,
many thanks for the message. I'm about to try to write an e-mail. I've also seen that JU187 some time was no longer active in this froum already. Become a try. Maybe I'll be lucky. Best wishes and thank you:-)

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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by manu895 » 20 Jan 2015 20:42

Hi , I 'm looking for the Member JU187 . Have so many new information about Alfred Neumann. Who can make contact me here . My attempts were unfortunately been unsuccessful . Already thank you for your help .

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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by manu895 » 02 Apr 2017 20:11

Some time has passed. Unfortunately, I have not been able to connect to the user JU187 yet. Can someone connect from the forum. Looking forward to any help. Thanks in advance.

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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by JU187 » 15 Oct 2019 03:46

Manu895 please send me a message.

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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by Peter89 » 16 Oct 2019 07:03

JU187 wrote:
15 Oct 2019 03:46
Manu895 please send me a message.
Quote him in your comment or write to him yourself. That way he gets an easily visible notification.

It is unlikely that he will read a random, many years old topic by chance.
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Re: Eastern Front 1942 Can someone help me?

Post by Peter89 » 16 Oct 2019 07:06

It seems he hasn't been online since 2017, so you should ask the administrators to send him your message.
“And while I am talking to you, mothers and fathers, I give you one more assurance. I have said this before, but I shall say it again, and again and again. Your boys are not going to be sent into any foreign wars." - FDR, October 1940

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