GFM Fedor von Bock

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by tigre » 02 Feb 2019 02:44

Hello to all :D; first operational command...........................................................

Anschluss 1938.

Source: http://www.moonwheel-historical.com/pro ... cts_id=841

Cheers. Raúl M 8-).
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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 02 Feb 2019 14:49

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17 Feb 2015 03:26
A few questions:

Why, with so many victories did he only have the vanilla "Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross"?

Why was he chosen to lead Army Group Center?

Why is he not in the pantheon of great generals?
viewtopic.php?f=76&t=239780
Maybe this could help to understand : VB disobeyed and Hitler blamed him for the failure of encirclement of soviet troops in the first phase of Fall Blau.

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by jesk » 04 Feb 2019 00:47

DavidFrankenberg wrote:
02 Feb 2019 14:49
Cult Icon wrote:
17 Feb 2015 03:26
A few questions:

Why, with so many victories did he only have the vanilla "Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross"?

Why was he chosen to lead Army Group Center?

Why is he not in the pantheon of great generals?
viewtopic.php?f=76&t=239780
Maybe this could help to understand : VB disobeyed and Hitler blamed him for the failure of encirclement of soviet troops in the first phase of Fall Blau.
This is not evidence. Logic cannot be proof. Halder did not hear, did not know what Hoth said. He logically calculated his words.

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 04 Feb 2019 15:49

You can discuss about that there viewtopic.php?f=76&t=239780

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by Cult Icon » 04 Feb 2019 16:01

However, Case Blue was at the "end" of his career.

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by jesk » 04 Feb 2019 16:09

They all failed. Manstein, Hoth, Bock. And only the Fuhrer was able.

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by Cult Icon » 04 Feb 2019 16:11

He had numerous operational successes (exception for Typhoon phase II and Case Blue). Prior to Blue, :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Kharkov

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by jesk » 04 Feb 2019 16:32

On July 13, Halder recalled von Bock's mistakes (C in C) for Kharkov.

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by jesk » 04 Feb 2019 16:42

Revenge Hitler overtook him. August 26, 1943 Sodenstern appointed commander of the 19th army in France.
https://howlingpixel.com/i-en/Georg_von_Sodenstern

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by jesk » 04 Feb 2019 17:07

jesk wrote:
04 Feb 2019 16:32
On July 13, Halder recalled von Bock's mistakes (C in C) for Kharkov.

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Halder's accusations are fraud or self-deception in support of the owner. No orders not to send 24 and GrD in Voronezh. Halder is lying. It happens. Germans they are. :)

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 04 Feb 2019 20:10

Cult Icon wrote:
04 Feb 2019 16:01
However, Case Blue was at the "end" of his career.
Yep. His disobedience marked the end of his carreer.

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by jesk » 04 Feb 2019 20:35

The army group disappeared and the discontented commander was no longer necessary to Hitler.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Group_South
In preparation for Operation Blue, the 1942 campaign in southern Russia and the Caucasus, Army Group South was split into two army groups: Army Group A and Army Group B.

In February 1943, Army Group Don and the existing Army Group B were combined and re-designated Army Group South.

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by Cult Icon » 04 Feb 2019 20:43

This thread is about his career BEFORE his firing.............. 1939-1942

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by jesk » 04 Feb 2019 20:52

July 9 split. 15 resignation. Your strict comment is out of context.

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Re: GFM Fedor von Bock

Post by DavidFrankenberg » 06 Feb 2019 01:04

jesk wrote:
04 Feb 2019 20:52
July 9 split. 15 resignation. Your strict comment is out of context.
You can discuss it ther viewtopic.php?f=76&t=239780

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