If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

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If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

Post by Torretta13 » 09 Mar 2016 17:54

....what advice would you give him. Here is what I would tell him to do:

1-SCRAP Raeder's idea for building a huge surface fleet and listen to my man Donitz!!! Build as many U-boats as possible as early as possible. Forget warships, focus on U-boats!!!!

2-TARGET THE RADAR STATIONS. Locate and destroy the radar stations and the little wooden huts located next to said radar stations. Bomb them MERCILESSLY 24/7 every day and every night. DESTROY the Dowding System.

3-DO NOT INVADE RUSSIA. FOCUS ALL RESOURCES ON THE MEDITERRANEAN Strategy recommended by Goring, von Ribbentrop and Raeder. GIve Rommel tons of men and supplies and whatever else he asked for. Do NOT take any shit from "El Caudillo." Tell him that either he grants German troops right of transit across his country or you will invade and annihilate the Spanish. Take Gibraltar and Malta as soon as possible, closing off the Med. to the allies. Then DRIVE DRIVE DRIVE ACROSS NORTH AFRICA AND INTO THE MIDDLE EAST, linking up with the Japanese in India, the CROWN JEWEL of the British Empire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

Post by steverodgers801 » 09 Mar 2016 19:10

Germany invaded Russia because they were too dependent on them for resources. Hitler knew Stalin could turn off the spigot at any time and leave Germany high and dry.

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Re: If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

Post by stg 44 » 11 Mar 2016 02:41

If I could I wouldn't, because I don't want Hitler to win the war! I would go back and assassinate him in 1932 before he gets into power.
1) the problem with that is you'll be breaking the AGNA, which would trigger earlier, greater British escort/destroyer construction and they can build more, faster than Germany can turn out subs. You might have them start when Hitler declares the AGNA null and void, that's not enough time for the British to really wake up to the threat.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-Ger ... nt.2C_1938
You'd be better off telling them about the torpedo problems too and how to avoid letting the British capture the magnetic mines in 1939. And tell them where the HMS Nelson would be in October 1939:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wilhelm_Zahn

2) destroying the radar sites is much easier said than done; the better strategy there would be to bomb and mine the Western Ports instead of launching the BoB, i.e. start the late stages of the Blitz in August 1940.

3)don't do Barbarossa. Just beat Britain and end the war.

Also Dunkirk. And tell them where all the undiscovered oil and mines in Europe are. And get them info about the Panther tanks and jet engines among other weapons.

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Re: If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

Post by Paul Lakowski » 11 Mar 2016 04:14

Wasn`t there some comic strip of Hitler`s personnel body guards wondering why every time traveler was trying to come back in time and kill Hitler.

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Re: If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

Post by Gorque » 11 Mar 2016 04:47

If I could go back in time, I'd travel back to before he was born and slip Klara a dose of RU 486.

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Post by pintere » 11 Mar 2016 14:15

I would first assassinate him, then use my knowledge of the future to take his place.

I'd conquer France, then Britain, with my handy knowledge of the future. Then a new Barbarossa, fixing the mistakes made in reality. I would then prepare for the ultimate military challenge, the conquest of the US, Operation Talon. With the US conquered, there would be no more major military powers apart from Japan to challenge my conquest of the globe.

With the world conquered, I would begin institution of a new constitution. Among other things, I'd ensure that the explosive human population growth never happens, that inter-nation conflict would cease under total political unity, and above all, prevent all the major environmental disasters that would happen in my time. That includes chemically neutralizing all fossil fuel reserves so that their evil will never fall into the wrong hands!

And last but not least, use my secret police to nip all time travel research in the bud so that all my hard work can't be undone :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post by T Rex » 11 Mar 2016 16:53

To arrest all Aryan traitors and put them where they belong...
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Re: If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

Post by uloveme » 11 Mar 2016 19:03

I think the question was asked correctly, but is posed the wrong way. After all, Hitler is Hitler and Hitler doesn't give a damn what you tell him, he's going to do it anyway no matter what. So I think there's tons of advice that could be given in hindsight as it is always in 20/20, but I think if you analyze what they knew at the time then you will see most of their decisions were the logical ones to make. For instance "not invading the Soviet Union" has came up several times, why in the world would you NOT want to invade the Soviet Union at the exact time that Germany did it. The Soviet Union couldn't have been in a more vulnerable position no matter what, I mean seriously its mind boggling how bad of a shape they were in.

That being said, I must conclude that there is almost nothing that could've been done differently that would've made Hitler win the war, even if he didn't invade the Soviet Union it would've happened sooner or later and probably ended up being a worse war than what happened in the first place. I won't elaborate on that as its not the topic, the reason that I believe there is no way Hitler would've won is not due to strategy nor tactical doctrine no matter how sound it was, and it WAS sound as Historians before us realized "Germany might've lost both the wars but they fought them better on a man to man basis than any other country". The ultimate reason is logistics, Germany just doesn't natively contain the resources that is required (at least in any significant quantity) to wage a modern war. And that is true for all of the Axis powers, and they knew it from the beginning. This isn't to say that they would've gone down in flames no matter what route they took, as they did make some pretty darn bad decisions, or let me rephrase that, Hitler interjected some really bad decisions that costed Germany a lot. But in the end it would've just been grinded down and eventually would've made a mistake and lost, as all country's that fight a war that are on the bad logistical side of things. I will give an example as I did a study on this at one time.

During the American Civil War the Confederate States were on the logistical bad side, they had barely 10% of industrialization that the United States had (Northern U.S.) and I believe something along the lines of around 5% of the steel works that the North had. This comes down to the fact that they can still fight a war, and they can do an amazing job of doing so as most Historians would agree they did. But once they make a bad move or end up making a bad maneuver, they just won't be able to replace the loses that will have incurred. There is two ways to fight a war, Maneuver & Logistical, the Confederacy did a spectacular job of making a war of Maneuvering for a long time, and while the North tried to do the same on several occasions they ended up getting slaughtered, the difference was they were able to play the Logistics part and make up for it and try it again, and again, and eventually when they got the right person in charge, eventually they won. Once the Confederacy lost that initial Maneuvering they went on the defensive and went downhill from there.

In case you didn't make the connection let me put it out there. Germany played the Maneuvering warfare part amazing, once they lost badly which most people agree was at Stalingrad, they was put back on the defensive and even though they made up the resources for the most part that was lost at Stalingrad, they never gained that initial momentum again, they tried like during operation Citadel, but the Logistics of the Soviet Union never allowed them to kill enough men and break enough of their machinery (which is what war is all about) to gain the momentum and keep it flowing.

So sadly even if I was able to go back and beat Hitler with a cane until he was bleeding from every orifice including some new ones, while I was yelling "More FW190's! more Arado 234's! more Panther's less Tigers! and make a rotation system for pilots and tell the Americans you didn't have jack squat to do with the Japs attacking Pearl, throw them under the bus, it might save you" lol merely delaying the inevitable. Sorry if this got off topic a bit, I just like to explain my thoughts fully and completely before answering and then explain why and how I got to that. One more thing, I'd have him make a solid gold statue of Michael Wittmann as that great warrior deserved it completely! he's one of my heroes lol

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Re: If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

Post by Paul Lakowski » 11 Mar 2016 19:37



thank you, thank you, thank you!

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Re: If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

Post by AriX » 22 Mar 2016 10:39

1.)Dont declare war on USA;
2.)Start Totaler Krieg as soon as possible;
3.) Dont divide army group "South" and focus it on Stalingrad.

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Re: If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

Post by Sid Guttridge » 22 Mar 2016 18:24

Stop and consolidate at the end of August 1939.

Since March 1938 Hitler had been successfully conducting wars in which nobody had opposed him.

He should have quit while he was ahead.

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Re: If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

Post by Boby » 22 Mar 2016 19:22

Herr Hitler, please marry Eva and retire to Obersalzberg.

Post-Anschluss.

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Re: If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

Post by Paul Lakowski » 22 Mar 2016 19:24

Part of Germanys prewar strategy was to build up the resources it needed to sustain total war. Mostly this was to come from integration of the economies of the Baltic Balkan and Eastern European countries into a German Empire/sphere of influence. One of Hitler's big changes- in his 4 year plan- was to achieve this by force [Austria/ Czech & Poland etc]. To this end he also made the deal with Stalin to 'avoid war'.

So instead Germany makes an anti Stalinist pact with Eastern Europe thus negating the British leverage to start the war in the first place.

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Re: If you could travel back in time to Help Hitler win the war

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