You are saying that Brauchitsch and Halder said irrational nonsense ? Halder who said that envelopping operations east of the DD line would have no propspect of success ?Is this irrational nonsense .Aida1 wrote: ↑11 Oct 2019 18:28The only sensible thing in here is the first phase.The rest is pure irrational nonsense.ljadw wrote: ↑11 Oct 2019 18:22The existing forces were eliminated,but these were peplaced by mobilised forces ,on a scale no one in Berlin could/wanted to foresee.BDV wrote: ↑11 Oct 2019 16:20But the Red Army, was not eliminated west of DD line. No one lost their position despite this (that RKKA was NOT eliminated west of the DD line). So it is incorrect to state that German Reich leadership linked ALL their goals in the East for that.ljadw wrote: All depended on the elimination of the Red army west of the DD line , everything else would result from this .
That was their best case scenario, but Schicklgruber et Co did not give up because their best case scenario failed.
On July 3 Halder said :'' the war has been won '', which means that the existing Soviet forces were eliminated .A few weeks later, he said : '' we '' ( he meant FHO ) have underestimated the enemy ( he meant : if we did not underestimate the enemy,the Soviet Untermenschen would be defeated ).But ,at that moment ,the existing Soviet forces were defeated .
Brauchitz said before June 22 : a few weeks of fighting on the border ( which means : the existing Soviet forces will be defeated ) and this will be followed by a mop up ( which means : the Sopviets will not be able to mobilise sufficient new forces ).
Berlin was convinced that the farther the Germans would go, the less the Soviet resistance would be .
When this proved to be an illusion, their argument was : that the Soviets would collaps in July is a mistake, it will happen in August, and when it did not happen in August,they said : it will happen in September ,etc .That's why they did not give up . They did not give up after the Marne,although they knew that victory on the Marne would not save them . In WWI also,they expected a miracle because they needed one .
And when someone asked for proofs that it would happen in August, September,etc ,the answer was that it had to happen and thus would happen .
When they were planning the attack,they knew that only a Deus ex Machina would save them , thus they said to everyone that suddenly a miracle would happen ,because a miracle was needed .
The Germans were as a pilote who jumped from an aircraft and whose parachute refused to open . The pilot was convinced that the parachute would finally open,because otherwise he would die .
Is Christian Gerlach witing nonsense when he wrote about
''die Hoffnung auf einen sowjetischen Zusammenbruch wie auf einen deus ex machina ''.
Was Hitler saying irrational nonsense when after one month of fighting,he hoped that Japan would save him , while he had forbidden to inform Japan about Barbarossa ?
Was Hitler talking nonsense when on August 21 he said that it would be impossible to capture Moscow in 1941 ,and the OKH agreed ?
And when the OKH admitted on September 13 that the war would continue after 1941,is this also irrational nonsense ? That the OKH admitted that the battles of Viazma and Briansk would decide nothing,is this irrational nonsense ?
And is it irrational nonsense that ,immediately before the Marne Battle,Moltke said that the objective of the Schlieffen PLan could not be realised,even if they won at the Marne, but still gave the order to start the battle ?