Rescue of Leningrad

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Re: Rescue of Leningrad

Post by jesk » 14 Mar 2019 19:42

Monday, October 6, 1941

Leeb's personal notes in the notebook:

The Fuhrer decided to launch an offensive in the direction of Volkhovstroi not by the 39th Army Corps, but by infantry divisions. As a result, the next 14 days will go to regroup the forces ...
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Entry October 6 testimony of sabotage. He did this on purpose so that the 54th army could survive. :lol: Hitler of all deceived.

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Re: Rescue of Leningrad

Post by Boby » 14 Mar 2019 19:57

It is not my alternative, it was 16. Armee preferred option.

Again trolling?

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Re: Rescue of Leningrad

Post by jesk » 14 Mar 2019 20:04

No, this is your alternative and it is bad. Click on the map where divisions are most needed. If to the south of Ilmen, this is a very bad alternative.

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Re: Rescue of Leningrad

Post by jesk » 14 Mar 2019 20:32

4 divisions Hitler restrained from active operations. And this is more important than Leeb’s desire to continue to attack Tikhvin.

Tuesday, November 18, 1941

Assessment of the situation by the commander of Army Group "North":

... The Fuhrer again rejected the request of Army Group North to attack in the Kronstadt region ... Therefore, heavy artillery is withdrawn from there: three artillery divisions and an assault self-propelled assault division. The infantry forces that are there, i.e. four divisions, must still remain there. In addition to the surroundings of Kronstadt, the area of defense of Uritzk - Peterhof in the area of Kronstadt Bay, which is beginning to be covered with ice, is also in the area of their responsibility.
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The Fuhrer was some kind of moderator of fighting. Watched that at Germans did not arise decisive superiority anywhere. On each sector of the front near Leningrad Russians stood. Hitler helped them!

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Re: Rescue of Leningrad

Post by Boby » 14 Mar 2019 20:57

Yes, it was. I have the document in front of me!!
Dated 31 october, Abt. Ia, Nr. 1084/41 g.Kdos.

Stop trolling!!

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Re: Rescue of Leningrad

Post by jesk » 14 Mar 2019 21:04

Trolling is show empty documents. There the Führer decided everything. See above about Kronstadt ...

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Re: Rescue of Leningrad

Post by Boby » 14 Mar 2019 21:31

We are not talking about Kronstadt, but Tikhvin.

If Tikhvin is held, 16th Army envisaged one frontline for winter, if not, another one, much shorter.

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Re: Rescue of Leningrad

Post by jesk » 14 Mar 2019 21:33

Boby wrote:
14 Mar 2019 21:31
We are not talking about Kronstadt, but Tikhvin.

If Tikhvin is held, 16th Army envisaged one frontline for winter, if not, another one, much shorter.
You wrote Bush presented 4 options. Announce the entire list, please.

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Re: Rescue of Leningrad

Post by Boby » 15 Mar 2019 01:12

jesk wrote:
14 Mar 2019 21:33
Boby wrote:
14 Mar 2019 21:31
We are not talking about Kronstadt, but Tikhvin.

If Tikhvin is held, 16th Army envisaged one frontline for winter, if not, another one, much shorter.
You wrote Bush presented 4 options. Announce the entire list, please.
Why? Discussing with you is a waste 8-)

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Re: Rescue of Leningrad

Post by jesk » 15 Mar 2019 05:57

At the beginning of discussion you marked right views on history and conducted thread in this direction. With a serious analysis, search of documents, reports.
Boby wrote:
12 Mar 2019 11:44
Post here Leeb, Küchler and OKH opinion at the time, instead of talking nonsense.
Maybe unfortunately, the study of documents does not matter. The real story is blah blah blame Hitler. :(

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Re: Rescue of Leningrad

Post by jesk » 15 Mar 2019 18:26

Tikhvin operation is poorly displayed in history. As an example, the Soviet scheme, which can be found on many websites about military history. She is wrong. Connect with the Finns should have been the northern group. After capture of Tikhvin, movement to the east was supposed in cooperation with the Center group.

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Re: Rescue of Leningrad

Post by jesk » 15 Mar 2019 18:38

"Volgada" this is Vologda. city in northwest Russia

https://warfarehistorynetwork.com/daily ... arbarossa/

Since the beginning of the Tikhvin offensive, Schmidt had taken 20,000 prisoners and had killed thousands more Red Army soldiers. In addition, 96 Soviet tanks, 179 guns, and an armored train had been either captured or destroyed. The butcher’s bill was not one-sided. German equipment suffered heavily from combat and the weather, as did the men. In the 12th Panzer Division, rifle companies were down to an average of 35 effectives.

When Hitler received word of Tikhvin’s capture, his mind focused farther to the east. Schmidt was shocked when he received a message from the Führer’s headquarters asking if it was possible to mount another assault—this time on Volgada, some 400 kilometers east of Tikhvin. With the condition of his corps, Schmidt could only shake his head in astonishment as he reread the message.

The German offensive had shot its bolt with the capture of Tikhvin. Temperatures had already fallen to 20 degrees below zero Fahrenheit, and in a few days they were down to 40 below. Equipment froze, and men literally died at their posts in their threadbare summer uniforms.

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