Hitler hoped to destroy the Red Army at Berlin.

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Hitler hoped to destroy the Red Army at Berlin.

Post by RedRight » 23 Jul 2019 17:34

I read in a textbook that Hitler claimed that the Battle of Berlin would become the site of the final defeat of the Red Army.

1. What is the whole of Hitler's speech and its context.
2. What were the details and chances for the success of Hitler's plan.

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Re: Hitler hoped to destroy the Red Army at Berlin.

Post by Michael Kenny » 23 Jul 2019 17:50

RedRight wrote:
23 Jul 2019 17:34
I read in a textbook that Hitler claimed that the Battle of Berlin would become the site of the final defeat of the Red Army.

1. What is the whole of Hitler's speech and its context.
He was insane
RedRight wrote:
23 Jul 2019 17:34
2. What were the details and chances for the success of Hitler's plan.
-99 out of 10.
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Re: Hitler hoped to destroy the Red Army at Berlin.

Post by RedRight » 23 Jul 2019 18:17

I have found something: https://www.bradford-delong.com/2015/04 ... er-74.html but I'm looking for more.

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Re: Hitler hoped to destroy the Red Army at Berlin.

Post by jesk » 28 Jul 2019 21:46

Hitler insisted on the main blow in the direction of Czechoslovakia, and this greatly weakened the defense in lane 1 of the Ukrainian front. Hitler was wrong there.
Alfred Jodl's testimony.

http://zhistory.org.ua/alfrjodl.htm

The development of operations on the Eastern Front in 1945 was primarily determined by the failure of the Ardennes counteroffensive (23). The Fuhrer by all means demanded that active measures be taken in Hungary with a view to reaching the Danube and the Drauva. Colonel-General Guderian, the chief of the general staff of the land army, tried to object, to which Hitler replied: “You want to advance without oil — well, let's see what happens.”

In pursuance of this intention of the Führer, we had to weaken the grouping in the Berlin sector, and later it turned out that in Hungary the operation failed and did not release any forces to strengthen the cover of Berlin. At the same time, Northeast of Berlin, Himmler did everything possible to worsen the position of his army group "Vistula".

Thus, by the time the Russians went over to the last offensive, we were absolutely helpless. Initially it was assumed that the Red Army would strike the main blow in the direction of Czechoslovakia, and we miscalculated here too. I had to throw the entire army of the reserve to the front, but this did not produce any results.

The defense of Berlin was carried out by clearly insufficient forces, but the high command did not have any opportunities to strengthen it, which led to the collapse.

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Could the Germans have stopped the mighty Russian strike of four infantry and two tank armies of the 1 Ukrainian Front? I think yes. Without Hitler ...

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Re: Hitler hoped to destroy the Red Army at Berlin.

Post by jesk » 28 Jul 2019 21:56

The Red Army seems invincible. But this is a superficial glance. 3 and 5 Guards armies: 19 rifle divisions. 40 thousand infantrymen. With a strong defense, in 3-4 days the Germans could kill and injure them all!

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Re: Hitler hoped to destroy the Red Army at Berlin.

Post by jesk » 04 Aug 2019 21:09

By 21 April, Soviet Marshal Zhukov's 1st Belorussian Front had broken through the German lines on the Seelow Heights. Hitler, ignoring the facts, started to call the ragtag units that came under Steiner's command Army Detachment Steiner (Armeeabteilung Steiner). An army detachment was something more than a corps but less than an army.

Hitler ordered Steiner to attack the northern flank of the huge salient created by the 1st Belorussian Front's breakout. Steiner's attack was due to coincide with General Busse's Ninth Army, attacking from the south in a pincer attack. The Ninth Army had been pushed to south of the 1st Belorussian Front's salient. To facilitate this attack, Steiner was assigned the three divisions of the Ninth Army's CI Army Corps: the 4th SS Panzergrenadier Division Polizei, the 5th Jäger Division, and the 25th Panzergrenadier Division. All three divisions were north of the Finow Canal on the Northern flank of Zhukov's salient. Weidling's LVI Panzer Corps, which was still east of Berlin with its northern flank just below Werneuchen, was also ordered to participate in the attack.[7][8] The three divisions from CI Army Corps planned to attack south from Eberswalde on the Finow Canal towards the LVI Panzer Corps. The three divisions from CI Army Corps were 24 kilometres (about 15 miles) east of Berlin and the attack to the south would cut the 1st Belorussian Front's salient in two. Steiner called Heinrici and informed him that the plan could not be implemented because the 5th Jäger Division and the 25th Panzergrenadier Division were deployed defensively and could not be redeployed until the 2nd Naval Division arrived from the coast to relieve them. This left only two battalions of the 4th SS Panzergrenadier Division available and they had no combat weapons.

Based on Steiner's assessment, Heinrici called Hans Krebs, Chief of Staff of the German General Staff of the Army High Command (Oberkommando des Heeres or OKH), and told him that the plan could not be implemented. Heinrici asked to speak to Hitler, but was told Hitler was too busy to take his call.[7][8] On 22 April 1945, at his afternoon conference, Hitler became aware that Steiner was not going to attack and he fell into a tearful rage. Hitler declared the war was lost, he blamed the generals and announced that he would stay on in Berlin until the end, then kill himself.[4] On the same day, General Rudolf Holste was given what few mobile forces Steiner commanded so that he could participate in a new plan to relieve Berlin. Holste was to attack from the north while General Walther Wenck attacked from the west and General Theodor Busse attacked from the south. These attacks amounted to little and, on 25 April, the Soviet forces attacking to the north and to the south of Berlin linked up to the west of the city.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Steiner

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Re: Hitler hoped to destroy the Red Army at Berlin.

Post by jesk » 04 Aug 2019 21:17

The order of Hitler on the counterstrike allowed to surround the 9th army. Something like Normandy. The Germans are attacking - and at this time they are surrounded. Hitler himself devised offensive plans. The generals considered them bad.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Lüttich

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German armour destroyed during Operation Lüttich, August 1944

Date 7–13 August 1944

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Re: Hitler hoped to destroy the Red Army at Berlin.

Post by BartekPL » 06 Aug 2019 18:08

In books on fights of Polish 1st Army and its units, during fights against Steiner's attack, are mentioned elements of units such as:

1)25. Panzergrenadier-Division,

2)3. Marine-Infanterie-Division,

You can also see on maps:

3)4. SS-Polizei-Panzergrenadier-Division,

4)7. Panzer-Division,

The enemies of German units were elements of Polish 2nd "Warsaw" "Henryk Dąbrowski" Infantry Division and during the later stages of fights - 1st "Praski" Infantry Regiment of Polish 1st "Warsaw" "Tadeusz Kościuszko" Infantry Division. Although the Germans had only elements of two Infantry Divisions in their way, Polish units fought fiercely, meanwhile, German rears were under constant attacks of Polish 1st Mixed Aviation Corps and Polish 4th "Pomeranian" Mixed Aviation Division.

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