I am new to forum and i am very confused by what rules are enforced and which are not. And now i am much more confused by the standard of evidence.
I started to write in topic after i read
TheMarcksPlan wrote: ↑
02 Feb 2020 18:41
Yeah it's simply astounding. Imagine working 12hrs/day in arguably the country's most important factory (70% of T-34 production in Nizhny Tagil Tractor IIRC) and being fed so poorly that young male coworkers are literally dying. And still showing up day after day until you cannot stand - literally - anymore.
This specific claim is used to give proof of big claim the Soviet economy in 1942 was on the brink of total collapse.
When i ask for evidence of claim he double down to me and others.
TheMarcksPlan wrote: ↑
04 Feb 2020 21:59
In addition, I have provided a chart showing that starvation caused up to 40% of lost workdays at Nizhny Tagil Tractor Factory.
From first moment i saw a problems with specific claim
1. Data from themarksplan evidence is for days lost to temporary disability
. There is no data on people dieing.
2. It is data for Vysokogorskii Machine Factory. It is ammunition factory. It is not data for tractor factory and not the country's most important factory (70% of T-34 production.
Perhaps it is not important that themarksplan got the wrong factory and the wrong data in his claim. Perhaps what is important is relevance to big claim. Is this evidence that the Soviet economy in 1942 was on the brink of total collapse?
I did some checking of source. I was lucky and found relevant pages of book Hunger and war page318,319,320 on internet here https://books.google.ca/books?id=nQzxCA ... ry&f=false
1. Author says data is probably extreme example. So average or normal data is lower.
2. Author explains why data is presented. It is trend. Trend is going up.
3. Author explains what data is presented. Line 2 and 6 represent total days lost per 100 workers.
4. Data is for 1943 and 1944
If we look at extreme of extreme (july 1944) 102.9 total days are lost to temporary disability concerning starvation and semistarvation per 100 workers. To analyse. In july 1944 100 workers have total 3.100 days. Is 102.9 days lost from 3.100 a big or small number? Is it proof of the Soviet economy in 1942 was on the brink of total collapse?
Remember this is extreme of extreme number.
Remember this is for july 1944 in data table of trend going up.
It seems to me that if total economy did not collapse in july 1944 at point of extreme extreme then this is not relevant evidence of brink of collapse in 1942 when numbers must be much lower.
Please can somebody tell me if this is correct standard for giving evidence for to prove claim.