ljadw wrote: ↑
15 Mar 2021 17:02
What is your proof that between 1941 and 1944 the Germans would commit to other theatres of war ?
1 If Britain gave up in 1940 there were no other theatres of war
2 If USSR collapsed in 1941,there would be no other theatres of war .
3 If Britain continued the war after the defeat of the USSR in the Autumn of 1941, Germany could do NOTHING with its 200 divisions .They could not send 100 divisions to the ME or NA.
No one said that the losses on the Eastern Front helped to increase the German strength in the HTL, but I continue to oppose the claim that the forces that in the HTL were build for Barbarossa would also exist in an ATL without Barbarossa .
Saying that the Barbarossa Forces (150 divisions 3 million men ) would also exist in 1944 without Barbarossa(and avoiding the question WHY ) is the same as saying that the US forces committed in 1944 for the war against Japan would also exist in 1944 without war with Japan and would be available for the war against Germany .And this is not so .It is the same for the opposite scenario : no war between US and Germany would not mean more US forces in the Pacific .
It is the same for the war in Vietnam : if there was no war in Vietnam,the 500000 men fighting in Vietnam in 1968,would not exist and they would not be available to strenghten NATO in Europe .
If there was no hostility between US and USSR ,the forces of Eucom would not exist and would not fight in Vietnam .
It is the same for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan .
Returning to Germany : when Hitler was convinced that Britain would give up,he ordered to decrease the army to 120 divisions . When it was obvious that Britain did not give up, Hitler did not order to increase again the army .
When he declared war on the US he did not order to increase the army .
The whole scenario where one is transferring German forces which existed in the HTL for something that happened in the HTL (Barbarossa ) to an ATL where the reason for the existence of these forces did not exist, is only an artificial construction to make a German victory possible .
In the ATL Germany would not suffer 4 million + losses in the East because there would be no war in the east,and no war in the east means no Germans fighting in the East and the 150 Ostheer divisions would not exist .
You can't create a scenario where Barbarossa did not exist but where the Barbarossa forces existed .
If you do this,you must also accept the ATL scenario without Barbarossa, but with 20 million Soviet soldiers in the Far East .
And, curiously ( or not ) I have not seen such a project .