Was Hitler really surprised when England and France followed thru and declared war?

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Re: Was Hitler really surprised when England and France followed thru and declared war?

Post by ljadw » 08 Nov 2023 09:24

jabhatta wrote:
08 Nov 2023 06:23
Ijadw - I don't understand Attlee

On one hand, atlee is from the labour party.. The labour party I presume is anti war .. Why ? Because if war breaks out , it's the middle class and the lower class that will be in the trenches, certainly not the rich nor the elites will go too the trenches


The middle class and the lower class all vote for labor obviously

So why did atlee join any government in 1940 .. atlee should have refused to join government if atlee cared about what his voter base wanted.
1 Labour was against a war started by non Britons ,not against a war started by Britain to protect freedom and liberty .
2 The middle class did not vote for Labour, a part of it did it .
3 For Labour Nazi Germany was the enemy of the ( woke ) principles of the progressive world ( democracy, rights of the workers,peace, etc ) and Nazi Germany threatened these rights in Britain, thus Labour had to join the government to fight against an evil threat . If Britain was occupied, Attlee would go to Buchenwald .
4 For some members of Labour, there was another benefit of this war : the war would change British society, ruin the riches and would make it easier to go to the brave new world,of which they dreamed :the war would increase the power of the government and thus diminish the freedom of the people, which was the hidden dream of the Labour intellectuals .
The war would accelerate the constitution of the welfare state .

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Re: Was Hitler really surprised when England and France followed thru and declared war?

Post by ljadw » 08 Nov 2023 12:18

jabhatta wrote:
08 Nov 2023 06:23
The labour party I presume is anti war .. Why ? Because if war breaks out , it's the middle class and the lower class that will be in the trenches, certainly not the rich nor the elites will go too the trenches


24 peers and more than 100 sons of peers were killed in WW1 .
6 peerages became extinct .
23 members of the Commons were killed .
Asquith lost his eldest son , lord Rosebery lost his younger son .
The elites and the riches also went to the trenches .

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