Did any German units cross over the Volga?

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by bradpit » 26 Jul 2023 08:58

mezsat2 wrote:
23 Jul 2023 19:51
Were Rommel reinforced with 2 panzerarmees, he could have driven straight into Iraq and Saudi Arabia with minimal resistance. Once the oil is secured, Hitler can fuel his armies.
it is a very long distance, even the axis seized the middle east ,the ALLYS still have enough military power to defeat the AXIS, for they have less manpower, weapons , resources

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by Peter89 » 01 Aug 2023 16:46

mezsat2 wrote:
23 Jul 2023 19:51
Were Rommel reinforced with 2 panzerarmees, he could have driven straight into Iraq and Saudi Arabia with minimal resistance. Once the oil is secured, Hitler can fuel his armies.
Such a military buildup in the desert would mean that the whole Axis effort had to take place in the MTO. Extra shipping was only available if the Gibraltar straits were opened, thus there would be no Barbarossa.

Also Saudi Arabia did have a puny infrastructure that did not favor German needs. Iraq had an oil infrastructure that led to the Mediterranean sea, but it went through Vichy and British territories, and was taken immediately by the British between April-July 1941. Thus it is questionable how else could Rommel, or any thrust from the Western side of the Suez reach Iraq. In my opinion, there was little chance for it, if any. The only chance to seize the ME oil was in April-May 1941 when the Iraqi coup and the Vichy forces in the Levant had sufficient force to deal with the hodgepodge British forces, temporarily directed into the area.

Also, to fuel his armies: I doubt it. Oil production of Iraq and Saudi Arabia was not that much. Iran was way more important, but again the oil infrastructure of Iran was directed to the Persian Gulf, not to the Mediterranean sea.
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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by ManfredV » 02 Aug 2023 13:44

Rommel's and Hitler's plan was to conquer Egypt and Suez canal.
They had not enought troops or resources to conquer more.
Don't forget: Primarely Hitler sent troops to Libya to help Italy. He had no plans for Africa or Near East (except his support for Iraq coup 1941))

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by mezsat2 » 09 Aug 2023 08:31

mezsat2 wrote:
23 Jul 2023 19:51
Were Rommel reinforced with 2 panzerarmees, he could have driven straight into Iraq and Saudi Arabia with minimal resistance. Once the oil is secured, Hitler can fuel his armies.
Correct. You choose the path of least resistance if you're sane. Had Rommel been reinforced with the divisions committed to Barbarossa, he would have easily driven straight through to Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran. These people were also sympathetic to the Germans due to their antisemitic stance and would have helped them in any way possible.

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Re: Did any German units cross over the Volga?

Post by dgfred » 09 Aug 2023 15:21

I think they just hated the Germans 'less'.

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