Gudrun Himmler

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Arto O » 10 Jun 2011 20:41

Hi,
Regarding to the last photo: Ok, to take a photo it takes less than a seconds and things can be different later , but observing her, it seems that she is looking to this "empty space" in ceiling. Everything in her world got upside down. Loosing of her beloved father, people who told about her father and what he made etc. It is not easy to accept at that moment or later.
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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by ladycplum » 13 Jun 2011 03:41

I remember that picture of Gudrun and her mother. It was a very quick set-up, the soldiers guarding them hurried up, set the table, snapped the picture, and then hurried them off.

From what I've read in the book My Father's Keeper she was an incredibly difficult child while being held in custody. She went on a hunger strike for better rations, she had a complete physical breakdown when she was told Himmler was dead. In another book by Joseph Persico (It's about Nuremberg, can't remember the full title), he says she would make little paper cutouts of snowflakes and thelike and send them to Burton Andrus, who was in charge of the prisoners. He referred to her as "That Himmler brat."
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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Adam Carr » 19 Jun 2011 10:12

Gudrun Himmler is alive and well and still a Nazi.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... icers.html
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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by J. Duncan » 19 Jun 2011 10:52

Came across this article from Canada. Discusses Gudrun Himmler Burwitz and her involvment with her "Stille Hilfe" organization. Includes a few photos which have been seen / posted before.

http://forums.canadiancontent.net/news/ ... arity.html

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Adam Carr » 19 Jun 2011 11:02

The photo of "Gudrun Hmler today" in that article must be a good 20 years old, judging by the one I have posted.
Here is one of Gudrun with Papa and Karl Wolff.
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Re: Reinhard Heydrich`s daughter Marte

Post by Helge » 19 Jun 2011 11:03

BLACK NIGHT wrote:This picture shows Reinhard Heydrich`s daughter Marte and her mother Lina in 1960. Heydrich has never his daughter, because he died when Lina was pregnant with her.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 7&t=135814

Marte Beyer nee Heydrich http://de-de.facebook.com/people/Marte- ... 1855291385
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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Adam Carr » 19 Jun 2011 11:14

On that lady's friends list is one Christian Heydrich, presumably a grandson.
https://www.facebook.com/people/Marte-B ... 0034206488
Of course we don't judge people by their ancestors.

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Himmler and his wife

Post by Helge » 19 Jun 2011 18:35

Schweinfurt, Germany, Spring 1934, Himmler and his wife at breakfas.
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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Grisu » 19 Jun 2011 20:00

Adam Carr wrote:Here is one of Gudrun with Papa and Karl Wolff.
Does anyone know when and where this picture was taken?

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Helge » 19 Jun 2011 20:14

Grisu wrote:
Adam Carr wrote:Here is one of Gudrun with Papa and Karl Wolff.
Does anyone know when and where this picture was taken?
Heinrich Himmler and his daughter Gudrun (now: Gudrun Burwitz) visiting a concentration camp (Dachau) with Nazi entourage, probably around 1941.
Captions in German at the Bildarchiv Preussischer Kulturbesitz: "Heinrich Himmler mit Tochter Gudrun und SS-Führern, Reinhard Heydrich (hinten), Karl Wolff (2.v.r.)" ("Heinrich Himmler with daughter Gudrun and SS-Leaders, Reinhard Heydrich (in background), Karl Wolff (2nd from right)") The photo is dated as "um 1941" ("around 1941").

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by ladycplum » 20 Jun 2011 01:55

I think of all the children of the higher-ranking Nazis, Gudrun and Wolf Hess grew up to be the most embittered, cold, you could say they were the Ice King & Queen of their particular generation.
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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by HFK » 20 Jun 2011 03:41

Hello,
I am wondering what Gudrun would think if she is reading any of these 3 pages. Maybe she is reading them, and thinking to herself "these people know nothing about me". It will not happen,but I would love to have Gudrun reply on this forum.
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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Helge » 20 Jun 2011 08:34

HFK wrote:Hello,
I am wondering what Gudrun would think if she is reading any of these 3 pages. Maybe she is reading them, and thinking to herself "these people know nothing about me". It will not happen,but I would love to have Gudrun reply on this forum.
Regards,
Harry
Mrs. Gudrun is a very private person but what we write will surely read it. For other times you will find direct interventions: many times they are with private email.

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Grisu » 20 Jun 2011 12:00

HFK wrote:Hello,
I am wondering what Gudrun would think if she is reading any of these 3 pages. Maybe she is reading them, and thinking to herself "these people know nothing about me". It will not happen,but I would love to have Gudrun reply on this forum.
Regards,
Harry
Personally, I've never seen it as beneficial to ask myself what certain people of historical interest (and that's how I see Gudrun Burwitz née Himmler) thought or felt at a particular point of time regarding a particular subject. After all, I am not a psychologist (systematically studying aspects of personality) but a historian (systematically studying aspects of society) and thus I have neither the means nor the methods to "judge" the thoughts or feelings of anyone.

As for myself, when it comes to "judging", I tend to look at people's deeds and actions affecting society - and let those speak for themselves.

@ Helge: Thank you for contextualising the photo and for the additional information.

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Annelie » 20 Jun 2011 12:51


Mrs. Gudrun is a very private person but what we write will surely read it. For other times you will find direct interventions: many times they are with private email.

It wouldn't be in her best interest to publicaly give her thoughts. IMHO those who probably know her and in her
sphere know very well what she thinks so why come on a forum such as this to speak to strangers?

Several years ago I remember there was such an commotion when she did write something.
Don't remember what it was but it was jumped on.

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