Gudrun Himmler

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Adam Carr » 20 Jun 2011 13:19

Well if she is reading, ich hoffe, dass sie fühlt sich gerade eine bisschen Reue für die Millionen der Leute ihr Vater und ihre Freunde haben ermordet. Aber, ich glaube, dass es für das zu spät ist.

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by nobodyofnote » 20 Jun 2011 13:39

Adam Carr wrote:Of course we don't judge people by their ancestors.
Adam Carr wrote:Well if she is reading, ich hoffe, dass sie fühlt sich gerade eine bisschen Reue für die Millionen der Leute ihr Vater und ihre Freunde haben ermordet. Aber, ich glaube, dass es für das zu spät ist.
What happened Adam? :)

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Adam Carr » 20 Jun 2011 13:42

I don't condemn her because she's Himmler's daughter. I condemn her because she's an unrepentent Nazi.

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Helge » 20 Jun 2011 13:45

Annelie wrote:

Mrs. Gudrun is a very private person but what we write will surely read it. For other times you will find direct interventions: many times they are with private email.

It wouldn't be in her best interest to publicaly give her thoughts. IMHO those who probably know her and in her
sphere know very well what she thinks so why come on a forum such as this to speak to strangers?

Several years ago I remember there was such an commotion when she did write something.
Don't remember what it was but it was jumped on.
Hi Annelie,
read this post by c-hess : http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 7&t=167280
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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Helge » 20 Jun 2011 14:02

Lutz Friedel
Selbst als Gudrun Himmler Gegenbilder - Nachbilder
Selbstportraits aus den Jahren 1635 - 2008 Übermalung von Ausstellungsplakaten, Öl · 59,4 x 42 cm

http://www.lutzfriedel.de/LUTZ-FRIEDEL- ... ermal.html#

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Grisu » 20 Jun 2011 15:13

Adam Carr wrote:I don't condemn her because she's Himmler's daughter. I condemn her because she's an unrepentent Nazi.
This is a very important differentiation.

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Adam Carr » 21 Jun 2011 04:03

Did she sit for that portrait? It's in a decadent modernist style which would never have been allowed by Goebbels.

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by nobodyofnote » 21 Jun 2011 05:48

Adam Carr wrote:Did she sit for that portrait?
It is based on that 1941 monochrome photograph kept at the Bildarchiv Preussischer Kulturbesitz, of her standing next to her father.

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by ladycplum » 22 Jun 2011 02:18

nobodyofnote wrote:
Adam Carr wrote:Did she sit for that portrait?
It is based on that 1941 monochrome photograph kept at the Bildarchiv Preussischer Kulturbesitz, of her standing next to her father.
Look through this thread, it's a picture of her taken at Dachau, leaning against a fence. While daddy smirks for the camera.
"The more I see, the more I know. The more I know, the less I understand"-Paul Weller

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by nobodyofnote » 22 Jun 2011 03:36

ladycplum wrote:
nobodyofnote wrote:
Adam Carr wrote:Did she sit for that portrait?
It is based on that 1941 monochrome photograph kept at the Bildarchiv Preussischer Kulturbesitz, of her standing next to her father.
Look through this thread, it's a picture of her taken at Dachau, leaning against a fence.
Which is the same picture I'm referring to, the 1941 monochrome photograph kept at the Bildarchiv Preussischer Kulturbesitz, so no need for me to look. 8-)

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Adam Carr » 22 Jun 2011 06:05

She's about 11 years old in that photo, whereas she looks about 70 in the painting. Maybe Goebbels was right about decadent art.

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Grisu » 22 Jun 2011 17:42

Adam Carr wrote:She's about 11 years old in that photo, whereas she looks about 70 in the painting. Maybe Goebbels was right about decadent art.
Either that or art is more than perfect Mona Lisa smiles. I strongly tend towards the latter.

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by nobodyofnote » 22 Jun 2011 18:13

Grisu wrote:
Adam Carr wrote:She's about 11 years old in that photo, whereas she looks about 70 in the painting. Maybe Goebbels was right about decadent art.
Either that or art is more than perfect Mona Lisa smiles. I strongly tend towards the latter.
Well the camera never lies but art is art. Just consult Piero Manzoni.

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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by ladycplum » 22 Jun 2011 22:57

Or maybe that's the artist's way of saying an angelic smile hides an ugly heart.
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Re: Gudrun Himmler

Post by Annelie » 23 Jun 2011 01:01

maybe that's the artist's way of saying an angelic smile hides an ugly heart.

ladycplum, how could an eleven year old have an ugly heart?

If you had clicked onto the link you would have seen that this is the artists
way of painting, not just an eleven year old girl but all the subjects he painted.

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