Ilse Koch - photos

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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by Helge » 18 Sep 2012 14:02

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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by Helge » 18 Sep 2012 14:04

Who has heard of Koch's first wife and first child?

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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by Arto O » 27 Sep 2012 06:39

Hi,
The topic catch my attention to search more about the biograpfies of Ilse and Karl. Only what came to my mind that they were quiet..................... couple. I cannot found a word for them.
I suppose she is Ilse.
Source; Andrew Mollo: Uniforms of the SS, vol. 4, page 5.
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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by Helge » 27 Sep 2012 16:07

Helge wrote:
Herr Bubikopf wrote:
The commandant of the Buchenwald Concentration Camp, SS Colonel Karl Koch stands with his wife Ilsa their son and dog.
(source: Corbis Images)
The child with the dog's picture is not Artwin Koch. It could be the child with his first wife?
I found who the boy is Manfred and is the son of Karl from his first marriage. The photo is of the year 1939 and the place is Buchenwald.
Karl Koch was married the first time in 1924 and divorced in 1931.
Karl Koch has two children from his first marriage, the first named Manfred and the second was mentally disabled.

Ilse Köhler: NSDAP Nr. 1.130.836

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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by Helge » 27 Sep 2012 17:07

Karl Koch and his horse named Odin. Photo from the photo album of Karl Otto Koch

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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by J. Duncan » 28 Sep 2012 09:43

As always, very interesting photos Helge. The top photos are fascinating....one wonders what is taking place...the crouched prisoner appears to be nervously smiling to the amusement of Koch and his henchmen. Not a happy scene being surrounded by your captors. The second photo shows Koch in more imperious pose in front of what appears to be an office building with attractive walkway and flower beds.

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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by history1 » 28 Sep 2012 09:56

J. Duncan wrote:[...] the crouched prisoner appears to be nervously smiling to the amusement of Koch and his henchmen. [...]
Sorry Duncan, that´s a fault, even after brightening up the image there is no hint that the prisoner is smiling or grining.
In that situation, surrounded by four enemies, it must be very difficult to smile - even if one tries.
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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by J. Duncan » 28 Sep 2012 10:39

I see a crease in his upper cheek...nevertheless, it was not a "happy" situation.

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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by Helge » 01 Oct 2012 08:30

Karl Koch with dog in Sachsenhausen (Photo from the photo album of Karl Otto Koch)
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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by Helge » 01 Mar 2017 19:20

Hereis the photo of Uwe Kohler.
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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by Helge » 01 Mar 2017 19:42

Another photograph of Karl Otto Koch. Who are the other officers?
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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by Jayslater » 30 Mar 2017 18:49

Greetings,

As publisher at Fonthill Media, I would be most interested in a book on Ilse Koch. If this is of interest to you as a potential author, please do not hesitate to contact me: j.slater@fonthillmedia.com.

I have seen Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS as well and have spoken to Dyanne Thorne.

With very best wishes,

Jay Slater

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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by Vikki » 03 Apr 2017 02:21

Jayslater wrote:I have seen Ilsa: She-Wolf of the SS as well and have spoken to Dyanne Thorne.
I'm not sure your having seen Ilsa: She-wolf of the SS is the best advertisement for the quality of your publishing company on a history forum.

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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by Jayslater » 03 Apr 2017 18:09

From a cinematic history point of view and with regards to exploitation cinema, why not?

Personally, I find it to be offensive rubbish.

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Re: Ilse Koch - photos

Post by J. Duncan » 03 Apr 2017 23:06

The film is soft porn but I can see how one would fit it into a comprehensive biography in the sense that Wikipedia articles use the subject "in popular culture" at the bottom of some of their biographies. As an example, you will see a biography article on the Roman Emperor Claudius and at the bottom "in popular culture" it will mention the tv series "I Claudius" and that Derek Jacobi portrayed him.

"Ilse She Wolf of the SS" was kitsch loosely based on the life of Ilse Koch and could be compared with that awful "Caligula" film by Dino De Laurentis and Penthouse. Sexploitation films as Jayslater suggested with scripts loosely based on historical figures with much added "poetic license" (ie...BS).

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