WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Vikki » 02 Mar 2009 23:03

Wolfensteiner wrote:You can say all you want, and it is nothing personal, I enjoy viewing the photographs that Larrister has posted. I am just saying I think it is wrong, full stop, to brand your name all over a photo that you didnt take. Again, it is history, it is not about 'who paid for it'.
You’re right, Wolfensteiner, it is about history--and about the collector's role in preserving history.

The photographer, his heirs, or the agency that paid the photographer for his work, hold the copyright to using or reproducing the photos for profit. But most collectors’ primary interest is not in making money from the things they collect. Indeed, they often spend their money on photos or other items that are not of some great Panzer ace or high political official, but are of interest to few others but themselves—sometimes simply because it’s better than seeing the item uncared for or suffering damage in the bottom of a dealer’s “junk” box. Then the collector also “spends” hours caring for the piece, conserving it if necessary (sometimes paying for conservation), categorizing and storing it with any related items or information to ensure both its physical preservation and any known story (context) attached to it…And studying it, sometimes doing in-depth research on its subject, for just the sort of details that add to that accumulated shared knowledge that is called “history”.

Wedding pictures like the ones on this thread were probably produced in numerous copies for giving out to wedding guests, friends, relatives. With other types of private photos there was often only one print made of a given shot. In either case, it’s often a collector, or a series of collectors, who is to thank for even one copy of the photo surviving—and/or that it is publicly accessible both for the enjoyment of others, and as part of the historical record.

“Branding [one’s] name all over a photo” or other item connotes much more than simple ownership of the artifact. Watermarks labeling an item as “From the Collection of ____” or “____ Collection” indicate not simply ownership, but stewardship. And the time and effort involved in stewardship give the collector the right to show that he/she is the one who has cared for the piece—and originally made it accessible to the public by posting it on the internet.

Those “brands” are a small price to pay for those who truly enjoy viewing an item, and don’t just want to be able to take credit for posting it elsewhere.

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Annelie » 02 Mar 2009 23:09

The photographer, his heirs, or the agency that paid the photographer for his work, hold the copyright to using or reproducing the photos for profit
As I always look at photographs in the hopes of perhaps finding my Father in one, let me say, I don't care who owns
the copyright. Just thankyou, for finding it and perhaps allowing me the opportunity to buy it back or copy it.

Just another point of view but not necessarily a correct one when it concerns copyright laws.

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Vikki » 02 Mar 2009 23:21

Annelie wrote: As I always look at photographs in the hopes of perhaps finding my Father in one, let me say, I don't care who owns
the copyright. Just thankyou, for finding it and perhaps allowing me the opportunity to buy it back or copy it.

Just another point of view but not necessarily a correct one when it concerns copyright laws.
Perhaps not "correct" in the terms of copyright laws, Annelie, but certainly a situation that any collector I know would relish beyond words: being able to provide the subject of a photo, or their family, with that sort of connection to the past.

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Larrister » 03 Mar 2009 09:18

Vikki wrote:
Larrister wrote:Sleeve chevrons suggest that this guy is KM.
(Photo reattached below for reference.)

Larry, just a thought: Rather than KM, the cap eagle on a platter-style Schirmmütze could be an early style Army one (smaller, with more rounded wings than later ones). Also, KM hat wreaths are more vertical than Army ones, so that they actually go up slightly onto the body of the hat. Also, a KM NCO would be wearing the "Donald Duck" hat rather than a Schirmmütze, as in your previous photo at http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 6#p1297586, wouldn't he?

These things could point to the sleeve rank insignia being for a pre-1936 Heer Obergefreiter. If so, this is an especially cool photo of a seldom-seen rank.

Edit: One thing I forgot to add that supports this being an early photo: The bride's hairstyle is an early one, finger-waved or marcelled (I think that's the term), which is usually associated with the 1920s or early 1930s.

In any case, very nice photo!!!

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Hi Vikki

I have yet to see those sleeve chevrons on a Heer uniform. I think he may be a Kriegsmarine Coastal Artillery Hauptgefreiter. I agree that the photo is early, probably the early-mid 30's.

There are some of these sleeve chevrons for sale at "The Collectors Guild" and described as Coastal Artillery Hauptgefreiter chevrons.

Here's two from the site.

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Larry
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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by MIKE29 » 03 Mar 2009 17:35

Hi ,
Another from the my collection.
I am not sure if this is a wedding photograph.
Lady holding flowers, flower garlands around the doorway,German custom maybe?
I know not everyone gets married in white (or a Heer tunic these days)
With regards to watermarking or naming of pictures, I think it's a good idea.
It would help in the search of who actualy has possesion of the picture.
This would make it easy for interested parties to obtain the original ''copy'' if desired.
By the way, I only edit pics if I have them in my collection.

Mike
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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Larrister » 03 Mar 2009 21:29

Nice wedding photo Mike.

Here's a nice HG Division wedding portrait.

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by colt45 » 04 Mar 2009 02:42

Here's a nice HG Division wedding portrait.,,, Larry I had that hidden button tunic for a few years... great shot!

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Post by Larrister » 04 Mar 2009 08:59

colt45 wrote:Here's a nice HG Division wedding portrait.,,, Larry I had that hidden button tunic for a few years... great shot!
Thankyou.

Here's an Oberleutnant Administrative officer and bride.

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Vikki » 15 Mar 2009 16:29

Not formal studio portraits, but a pair of photos of the wedding party before or after the ceremony.

I swear, when I first saw the top photo, I thought it should go in the Funny Photos thread: I thought the "bride" looked awfully...male. She looks a lot better in the second picture.

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Larrister » 16 Mar 2009 09:37

Hi Vikki

The bride definitely looks better in the second photo. :D
Here's a recent addition to my collection.

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Larrister » 16 Mar 2009 09:45

Obergefreiter and bride. He has the Flight Personnel trade specialist patch on his sleeve.

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by phileep01 » 16 Mar 2009 13:40

colt45 wrote:Image
"its not over till the fat lady sings"
will smith-independence day

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Larrister » 17 Mar 2009 10:36

Bride with groom wearing STuG wrapper.
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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Geli » 18 Mar 2009 09:21

phileep01 wrote: "its not over till the fat lady sings"
will smith-independence day
And while everyone's busy arguing about proper credit in this thread...I don't think Will Smith nor the writer of Independence Day deserves credit for "It's not over 'til the fat lady sings." :D

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Re: WEDDINGS - Here come the BRIDES!

Post by Larrister » 18 Mar 2009 12:20

Hi

A photo of Friedrich Blochle and his wife Carla.

Friedrich died from an unspecified illness in 1938.

I have 2 photos albums which belonged to his brother Ernst which contain 2 death notices to Friedrich as well as photos of his funeral.

Friedrich was a Leutnant d. R with Panzer Regiment 4 at the time of his death. His brother Ernst served with the same Regiment.

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