1945 Lost German girl

[Raven(CZ)]

Hey Dusty, check what I wrote about this event in page 93.

In short, about injured people.

"From 30.4.1945 local villages are full of german civilians, mostly clerks and their families, there are 30-60 new persons every day.
8.5. forenoon, first german troops are incoming from Prague, with white towel in front. They are stopped by US army units and every person is checked, all are germans, no polish, russian or other nations, like someone said in the past. SS soldiers have tried to hide in this group of Wehrmacht soldiers, but when they saw, that SS soldiers have been taken on different place than members Wehrmacht, part of them tries to escape, heading to group of civilians using them as a living shield, so they can run to the bridge, throught the gardens to the woods NE from Ejpovice. They failed and 8 of them are killed on the bridge and some others on the main road, field and in the garden. Totaly 26 persons are killed. Rest of the surviving SS are captured and held near the road west of Ejpovice. Group of those 2000 persons are taken to Plzeň, where is 2. infantry division of US Army situated and that is taking care of them. That's first and last group that is taken to Plzeň, others are placed on the field around Ejpovice, to the end of the day, number rises to 40 000 souls."

[Gregory879]

HI I do not think this a breakthrough but I have seen something fascinating in the video from page 96 sent from Dusty1945 at 47 seconds there appears to be a woman in the
left hand side row towards the back of solders fitting the appearance of the lgg.

[Peacenik]

I'm new and find it fascinating that people have been seeking answers on this thread for six years -- that's how long the war in Europe lasted!

Possibly it's true, as has been suggested, that the lost girl's physical beauty has attracted some to this story. But I think, for the most part, people have been drawn to it because she was the one individual who was really highlighted.

It's hard to identify with the masses of soldiers and civilians striding down that road, there are just so many of them. It's much easier to feel a connection with the one person the film-maker extracts from the masses (perhaps HIS reason for doing so was because HE thought she stood out because of her beauty?)

Had he focused instead on a badly beaten man or older woman, I believe the interest would still have been there because just about everyone loves a mystery and most of us are imbued with at least a little compassion. We all want to know the what, when, where, why -- and who -- of this story. Who she was -- a civilian, SS, regular German army, nurse? A German, Pole, Czech? And was she the victim of random beating from angry Czechs or someone who belonged to a unit that carried out dreadful crimes?

We also want to know what came next, after what was probably the worst -- perhaps last -- day of her life. As human beings, not being aware she had done anything wrong, it's only natural to hope she survived and went on to have what we all wish for ourselves, a happy life.

The research that's been done here is incredible and I've learned a great deal from numerous informative posts. I'm new to this subject and don't have anything to offer myself, at least for the moment. But I have a question. Suppose a TV or movie documentary maker was told about this six-year, 97-page quest and was inspired to make a film or TV programme about it -- is it possible that might lead to the puzzle of the Lost German Girl being solved at last? I've seen films made about far less intriguing subjects than this.

[Annelie]

I don't think this girls personal story will be more interesting than anyone else during that
time unless she was someone who was part of the process that made things happen.

I know personal history of lots of people who survived those times with things
happening we can only say this could be made into a movie because who would
believe all this can happen to a person...

Believe its all about mystery....pretty sure if she was alive she wouldn't want to
be known..some things people just want them to be personal for them and their family.

[ignacioosacar]

Welcome to the Forum Peacenik !

I share your oppinion about the potential for a movie producer. The focus of the story now is not LGG herself but the interest of so many forum members involved in it through the years. The script would be rather complex and I am not sure about how many forum members would like to come out from anonimity.

Cheers!

Ignacio

[EPAZ1]

I have been following this thread from the beginning. It has been quite interesting and an amazing amount of information has been obtained.
Having said that... Two recent catfishing expeditions and now wanting to make a movie about this thread make me think that indeed this thread has jumped the shark.
Good luck to all of you.

[Peacenik]

It seems my suggestion about a possible movie/TV production has not gone down well in some quarters. I only raised this because of the thought that if such a documentary was made, someone who knew this woman might see it and come forward to solve the riddle. If any such person is still alive, time is running out to find them. A documentary about this mystery, screened around the world, surely would not be a bad thing, then?

Incidentally, I wonder if some people here would find it a wrench if this was resolved? A great deal of time and energy have been invested in this subject over the past six years, and once the truth is known it's likely the magic will be gone. Take the Jack the Ripper case. If it had been solved years ago, what interest would remain in it, how many books would still be written about it? So in an ironic kind of way, if the Lost German Girl question was finally answered, it would probably be the worst thing that could happen to this fabulous thread.

[Annelie]

I only raised this because of the thought that if such a documentary was made, someone who knew this woman might see it and come forward to solve the riddle

What riddle? Who she is?

In actuality she probably is no different than many others during that time...only one person of fifty million people
affected by what was going on.

I can tell you about a members aunt here at the forum who was caught by the Russians and was held captive for two weeks until they finished with her then stabbed her several times to kill her but she survived and still living in US. There are lots of books out there to read and if you read enough of them you see what is common in all people who survived those time. By picking on one women in a film at least for me doesn't matter one way or another if she if found.

[Dusty1945]

@Peacenik

I think some on this thread misunderstood your suggestion and thought you meant making a hollywood movie about it. I understood you to mean make a documentary which I believe is a good idea. As you said they've made many documentaries about particular aspects of ww2 that I've found far less interesting than this topic. I'm from southern california and a high school friend of mine is an animater who designs movie, tv and videogame posters. I keep in touch with him through facebook mainly by us sending/sharing with eachother videos whether they be comedy, serious etc. a couple of years ago I sent him haglunds reels which he responded with much interest and of course like most people i've shared haglunds work with he asked me..."so who was that girl?" Maybe I could ask him to pitch that idea around up there and it might catch a producer in the grapevine. Who knows what could happen. Just to be clear i'm talking about a documentary not a movie. That said the subject matter is touchy and it's understandable why producers would be hesitant to explore this topic as intriguing as it may be.

@EPAZ1

It's the history tv networks who have 'jumped the shark' with their shows about ancient aliens and ice road truckers. Just do what I do and step away from this thread/interest of yours for a while and come back later.

[ignacioosacar]

Dusty 1945 and Forum

I suppose that almost all of us understood it was a documentary, at least I did.

Ignacio

[mars0367]

We know she was alive in 1945, and is probably about 20 years old, It is likely she has family in one of the Axis countries, or even one of the occupied ones.

I guess it is possible that neither herself nor any family or friends have ever scene the film clip. Or if they have seen the clip are not aware of the interest it has caused. Or they have seen the clip and they do not want to identify her.

And there would be others who knew her, not family or friends, who could identify her to some extent. If they have seen the clip the above would also apply.

It may well now be too late but my take on this would be some publicity by a newspaper from each European country, with photographs, that someone might know something about her. Perhaps even herself..

If the Lost German Girl was still alive she would be about 89 years old.

But if she is now just a photo of someone in the war in someone's attic, then there is probably not much hope.

I have just finished reading -

Orderly and humane : the expulsion of the Germans after the Second World War
Author:
Douglas, R. M

There other books but my library does not have them.

There are a million mysteries about World War 11, my guess is that this is one we will have to live with.

[Dusty1945]

This isn't of much importance but I thought it was kind of neat. There wasn't much about Capt. Oren Haglund when this thread began. I just noticed this wikipedia article that briefs on some of the discussion taken place here. I know it's just wikipedia and is no big deal but it's neat that this appears to be moving slowly down the vine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oren_W._Haglund

[DD66]

Annoying that she's been labelled as an SS woman when there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

[Dusty1945]

Annoying that she's been labelled as an SS woman when there is absolutely no evidence whatsoever.

Well Haglund did label her ''ss girl" in his shot sheets. In fact that is the only information given about her. Granted Haglund could have been mistaken but I think his own account is what the article information is based upon.

[DD66]

I wasn't aware that Haglund did the labeling. Do you have any proof that the sheets were written by him?
As far as I know, they could have been written by anybody, at any time after the film was shot.