1945 Lost German girl

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby brick2 » 21 Apr 2010 05:14

http://forum.ebaumnation.com/showthread ... 571&page=2 scroll down the page almost to the bottom.
photo by Hugo Jaeger Jan 01,1942
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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby wonderingofthewar » 21 Apr 2010 10:24

Nice find brick2! That looks like her in the 1942 photo I think! :milwink:

As for the other link, I'm afraid I couldn't locate the relevant photo. I'll look again, a lot of the photos stopped loading halfway done.

How did you find these?

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby wonderingofthewar » 23 Apr 2010 11:20

Now I see it, thanks.

The girl in those photos looks similar to her, but I have to say I don't think we can be certain it's definitely her. Although in the video she is three years older, three years more stressed as well as beaten. Not sure... good work though; only time will tell with more people coming and going.

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby brick2 » 30 Apr 2010 10:09

brick2 wrote:While we are waiting for Torsten to identyfy LGG,who is this guy filmed at Rokycany morning 9th May.

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby Tim Smith » 30 Apr 2010 13:12

Difficult to say because of the size of the photos, but I'd say they aren't of the same man.

Shape of the tip of their noses look different (lower slightly more bulbous), the shape of their inner ears are different too.

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby Heimatschuss » 30 Apr 2010 22:47

Hello brick,

Karl Hermann Frank is a nice idea but he was already arrested by the Americans before reaching Rokycany. Lore Vogt was only a bit behind his car when it happened (Vogt, 1946, p.58). She does not exactly say where the arrest took place but it was still east of the general disarmament point on the road Prague - Rokycany.

References:
Vogt, Lore (1946): Bericht über den Einsatz als Flakwaffenhelferin.;
in
Jutta Rüdiger (ed.)
Zur Problematik von Soldatinnen.
Askania Verlag; Lindhorst; 1987; pp.12-86

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby brick2 » 30 Apr 2010 23:45

If you freeze the film at 3;27 you can see he is sitting next to a US MP.
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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby ignacioosacar » 05 May 2010 01:43

Dear Forum,

Here is some light on what may have happened to LGG.

http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/ ... h16.htm#b5

Occording to the official US Army History there were SHAEF directives in May regarding POW.
One of these directives was about the release of female POW.
The screening process before release of all POW is carefully detailed here also.
It is really very interesting and reliable data.
Worth reading it.
The chapter which deals with this issue is titled "Wehrmacht"

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby ignacioosacar » 05 May 2010 01:54

Dear Forum,

By the way, the SHAEF directives data on POW was left unread in my mailbox during many months under the title
" German War Graves ".

It is interesting to note how relevant information may follow parallel tracks forever.

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby Penn44 » 05 May 2010 04:23

ignacioosacar wrote:Dear Forum,

Here is some light on what may have happened to LGG.

http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/ ... h16.htm#b5

Occording to the official US Army History there were SHAEF directives in May regarding POW.
One of these directives was about the release of female POW.
The screening process before release of all POW is carefully detailed here also.


Sometime in early May 45, shortly before the surrender, Keitel released all German women in military service to spare them becoming POWs.

The source is the three-volume official history of the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC).

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby brick2 » 05 May 2010 16:09

Throw this one at you --source Wehrmacht awards forum no source given
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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby ignacioosacar » 05 May 2010 20:13

Dear Forum,

I am not an specialist in blondes but didn´t LGG have thicker lips ?

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby kenyon » 06 May 2010 09:10

http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/6402/girlbd.jpg
^^ put together for convenience in comparing the images. :)

i've been following this thread for a while but after seeing the photo two posts above, i decided to create an account to offer my 2 cents.

by looking at the nose in the photo and the stills from the video, they are practically exact. her lips may appear to be fuller in the video, but they also may have been at least a little bit swollen from the beatings she took. her forehead and jawline to me appears to be exact in the photo and video still as well. while there are a few things about the girl in the photo that may differ from the LGG, the similarities are too striking.

i wish we were able to get a closer view of her other eye in the video, i think that would make things a lot simpler.

this is all just one man's opinion though :)

brick2, where exactly on that forum was that photo found?

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

Postby ignacioosacar » 06 May 2010 14:03

Dear Forum,

Very interesting comment made by kenyon.
brick2 says the pic appeared in another place with no source revealed.
I am sure there are people here who can input some very professional comparison work.
It woud be a good step to go deeper into the photo source issue.

Two questions: When was the photo uploaded ? In what context ?

Regarding the photo, in my oppinon:

1. the hair line ( right side of forehead ) seem to be identical
2. The middle-left of the upper lip seems to be slightly higher than the right side. LGG seems to have the same pecularity, without considering the fact that her lips might be swollen.

I am making a great effort to avoid wishfull thinking and I invite everybody to do so if posssible.

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