1945 Lost German girl

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by FireFoxy » 25 Feb 2009, 01:59

Wow, very impressive!I search and can't find one thing on this girl.Thanks in advance for notifying with new information.
I too wonder if the roads are the same today as the roads were in 1944-1945.
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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by Frogfoot » 25 Feb 2009, 02:50

Even if the roads aren't, there's at least some chance that other landmarks are. Speaking of which, where is the church? Is it on the left at the beginning of the clip? Also, I wonder what those two sections of rock wall are that flank the road entrance behind her, and that white pole object that's leaning to the left in the background.


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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by Frogfoot » 25 Feb 2009, 03:33

About those roads. It's possible that the road she was on is still pretty much the same as it was in 1945. Depending on what part of the world you're from, those old roads may have been in use for hundreds of years, and rather than radically alter them, they built a larger newer expressway somewhere nearby.

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by ignacioosacar » 25 Feb 2009, 04:34

Dear Forum,

New findings in Via Michelin,

1.This is referred to Route PRAGUE-VELICHOVKY ( German HQ May 8th 1945 )

Take E 67 from Prague to the crossroads DOBRENICE-PRAVY.

That point is marked as Km 76

Read DRIVING DIRECTIONS, it states that the distance to DOBRENICE is 97 Km of which 79 ( !) are on motorways.

So we have a second certain possibility for the Km 78 data indication

2. NOW , position yourself on the same crossroads, bearing 130 degrees, 920 meters, there is a HUNTING LODGE with a TOWER circa 1880 ! Might this be what Bcc 335 discovered ?

Unfortunately the construction of the new highway ( much wider ) has severely altered sideroad features for further comparison, but I agree in that the rest of the roads are today as they were a century ago.

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by Bcc335 » 26 Feb 2009, 01:24

Update, received Shot sheet for 25 min film Liberation of Czechoslovakia. Original shot sheet confirms city being liberated in the film is indeed Pilsen,CZ (Plzen, CZ)

Shot sheet reads:
AAFCFS NO: CAN 9196-1, CCU NO: 4TH
Reel No: 3 of 5 (CONTINUED), Footage: 800, ORIG.16K ONLY, Date Photo'd: MAY 1945
TITLE: SFP 186-30

1) MS surrendered Germans as they use field stove to prepare food.
2) CS on very young German soldier.
3) Med Pan German troops on mess line--panning to German vehicles--trucks & tanks.
4) CS as soldier hands food out to German surrendered troops.
5) MS Germans as they eat food.
6) CS German soldier sleeping.
7) MS surrendered German vehicles and troops.
8) MS as American jeeps and trucks roll thru Czech border --and tanks.
9) MS Czech crowds waving in city of Pilsen.
10) LS as crowds run into streets to greet Americans.
11) CS and pan of crowd.
12) MS as ambulance car drives thru crowd at Pilsen, followed by other vehicles
13) CS on crowd as they cheer wildly
14) CS on Czech children as they cheer.

AAFCFS NO: CAN 9196-2, CCU NO: 4TH
Reel No: 3 of 5 (CONTINUED), Footage: 800, ORIG.16K ONLY, Date Photo'd: MAY 1945
TITLE: SFP 186-30
15) MCS as white Russians who fought for Germany surrender to American forces.
16) Another angle as they pass camera.
17) Closer shot as they pass
18) Close pan Russian on horseback.
19) LS of surrendered Russian troops as they come down the road
20) MS as German troops surrender.
21) Another angle as surrender trucks pass camera.
22) MS surrendring POles who were forced to fight for Nazis--as they pass camera.
23) MCS SS trooper dead in field.
24) Same-- another--these were killed by the Czechs.
25) Same--another trooper.
26 Same.
27) Same.
28) CS on wounded SS man.
29) CS on dead SS man.
30) Same.

AAFCFS NO: CAN 9196-3, CCU NO: 4TH
Reel No: 3 of 5 (CONTINUED), Footage: 800, ORIG.16 K ONLY, Date Photo'd: MAY 1945
TITLE: SFP 186-30

31) MS of SS troops killed by the Czechs.
32) VCSon face of SS trooper.
33) Another angle of same trooper as in sc. 32.
34) VCS on bloodied hand.
35) CS on SS trooper dead in dith.
36) Another trooper.
37) Same--another.
38) Same--another.
39) MS several dead SS troopers.
40) Another trooper dead.
41) Same
42) MS dying German soldier.
43) CS on dead German civilian
44) MCS as SS girl walks to camera.
45) CS of same--she is badly beaten up.
46) VCS on face as she asks for mercy.--panning down to trousers.
47) MCS badly wounded SS man.--as he looks at camera.
48) CS of same man.

AAFCFS NO: CAN 9196-4, CCU NO: 4TH
Reel No: 3 of 5 (CONTINUED), Footage: 800, ORIG.16K ONLY, Date Photo'd: MAY 1945
TITLE: SFP 186-30

49) MS as SS men are lined up next to road.
50) MS as GIs look at murdered SS boy on road.
51) MS as GI covers face of dead GErman soldier.
52) Pan shot from civilians to dead soldier.
53) MS as wounded Germans drive by on jeep.
54) CS children as they look at ground panning down.
55) MS as civilians spit on dead SS man.
56) Same.
57) MCS surrendered Germans and girl.
58) CS on German girl.
59) CS on another German girl.
60) MCS of feet of German soldiers as they pass panning up to long line of surrendered troops.
61) MS of American tank as it rolls along highway.
62) Same.
63) MS as German troops pass camera.-- surrendering panning down to feet.

AAFCFS NO: CAN 9196-5, CCU NO: 4TH
Reel No: 3 of 5 (CONTINUED), Footage: 800, ORIG.16K ONLY, Date Photo'd: MAY 1945
TITLE: SFP 186-30

64) MCS as American tank, jeep and half tracks roll past camera.
65) CS on tank as GIs wave to cameraman.
66) MLS as American trucks roll along highway.
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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by Teemu SA » 26 Feb 2009, 11:06

HI all there. im from Finland. i watch also this video http://claytoncubitt.tumblr.com/post/61454004 yestreday first time my life and it take my hard.. and i see also this 11min. long film.

are me blind or what. i see flying helicopter above left corner about 6 second point!

http://claytoncubitt.tumblr.com/post/61454004 see this 6 sec. point here..

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Post by FireFoxy » 26 Feb 2009, 11:19

Teemu SA wrote:HI all there. im from Finland. i watch also this video http://claytoncubitt.tumblr.com/post/61454004 yestreday first time my life and it take my hard.. and i see also this 11min. long film.

are me blind or what. i see flying helicopter above left corner about 6 second point!

http://claytoncubitt.tumblr.com/post/61454004 see this 6 sec. point here..
Hey Teemu. I just had a look and you are so spot on. There is a Chopper at the 6 second mark,well spotted there :wink:
IN one of my earlier posts,i did mentioned that the girl look very modern!There was choppers during ww2 but i am not sure how advance the choppers were back in 1945.The chopper in the film looks advance for the time,but like i said there were choppers around in 1945.
Can we have more opinions from chopper experts!

Regards Alyson.
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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by Bcc335 » 26 Feb 2009, 12:09

FireFoxy wrote:
Teemu SA wrote:HI all there. im from Finland. i watch also this video http://claytoncubitt.tumblr.com/post/61454004 yestreday first time my life and it take my hard.. and i see also this 11min. long film.

are me blind or what. i see flying helicopter above left corner about 6 second point!

http://claytoncubitt.tumblr.com/post/61454004 see this 6 sec. point here..
Hey Teemu. I just had a look and you are so spot on. There is a Chopper at the 6 second mark,well spotted there :wink:
IN one of my earlier posts,i did mentioned that the girl look very modern!There was choppers during ww2 but i am not sure how advance the choppers were back in 1945.The chopper in the film looks advance for the time,but like i said there were choppers around in 1945.
Can we have more opinions from chopper experts!

Regards Alyson.

Guys, There are no Helicopters in the footage. Please take a few minutes to read the previous posts concerning the subject matter and bring yourselves up to speed.

What you are seeing is a Light recon airplane flying at tree top level.

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by ignacioosacar » 26 Feb 2009, 12:39

Really good work Bcc 335 !

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by FireFoxy » 26 Feb 2009, 12:58

Bcc 335.
I have check the two lasts post from you're posts and another members posts (The two long posts)and there is no mention of a plane :wink: But i went back and checked the footage and yeah you're right,it is a small plane flying by.
There could be a chance that this small plane may have been filming her when flying by,meannig there could be a birds eye veiw of the lost German girl. Fat chance in finding this footage though!We can't even get information on the footage we have here!

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by Teemu SA » 26 Feb 2009, 14:39

yes, but i still belive that is chopper. i have pilot licence and i know much ww2 planes because im interesting all ww2 planes. this "planes" seem funny, i mean nose is too big to plane and i not see tail..when watch video and stop between can see how rotor spin..sry my english :o

and what ever that is, interesting is also why anyone no watch this plane or chopper this video, noise must be horrible because this fly so close road...

ps. i want also know all this women who is she and what happen after this ....

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by ignacioosacar » 26 Feb 2009, 15:03

Teemu

As far as I know there weren´t any American helicopters in the Western TO althou there were a few Germans.

There were maybe more than a hundred Piper Cub light airplanes thou !

Try to magnify a still. I will clear out the identification doubts.

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by Teemu SA » 26 Feb 2009, 15:14

i want say only what i think. i know that it only few helicopters is germany at this time (i have books)...who knows, who fly this plane..
perhaps some germany pilot try escape :wink:

maybe it is plane....i dont know sure..

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Post by Teemu SA » 26 Feb 2009, 15:44

http://www.tgplanes.com/planfile.asp?idplane=138 maybe this plane...

every pilot do fly diary all flying happening, so someone pilot knows when he fly this place.

where this actually happen? 78km somewhere Plzen city (west,north?) ?

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Re: 1945 LOST GERMAN GIRL

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Post by tommy303 » 26 Feb 2009, 18:22

The plane looks to be a light liaison and utility aircraft such as the US Army L2.

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