Can you identify this BDM girl?

[Cold Spring Child]

Hello to all. I'm back at work on my novel and putting the cover art together. I'd love to use the attached photo (which I got from Chris Crawford's site http://www.bdmhistory.com) but have been unable to obtain any information which could lead me to a permission to use it. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks
Stu

[Cold Spring Child]

Thanks to the 170+ viewers who looked; still no trail to follow, so I may have to start searching an alternative. Same question: can this girl in a sports top be identified?

[Cold Spring Child]

Thanks to Chris Crawford at bdmhistory.com, the second photo has been sourced: it appeared in the October 1936 issue of The German Girls Magazine. Evidently the editors liked it too, as it was a full page photo with no caption, or even a page number. Chris has quite a few issues of the magazine posted on his site in the Original Materials section.

Still no action on the first photo, which will probably be more difficult as it was an ID photo, not from a magazine...

Stu

[Cold Spring Child]

Thanks to Geoff Waldern for a lead on the younger girl:

That photo is on the dust jacket of:

Matthew Hughes & Chris Mann
Hitlers Deutschland - Das Leben unter der NS-Diktatur
Klagenfurt, Neue Kaiser Verlag, 2001 (apparently a reprint in German of a book published in England by Brown Partworks Ltd. in 2000).
ISBN 3-7043-6052-X

I had forgotten about this book. It's a "coffee-table" picture book that I bought at a book sale in Germany a few years ago.

The photos are all credited to the Robert Hunt Library (?), but many are common Hoffmann photos. The girl's photo also appears on page 50.

I could not find the London publisher on the internet (maybe they got gobbled up by another publisher) so I email an inquiry to the German publisher, but have received no reply (maybe they're not multiligual , or on winter vacation ..) I've also written to the German consulate in New York City, but no answer yet. Not giving up yet, but considering setting up an escrow account with a rights management agency (CMG International) but that's expensive.

Thanks to all for looking. Will post any further developments. Writing the book was the easy part!

Stu

[Matt Gibbs]

Unless you are lucky enough to find a photo from perhaps an official event winner from a newspaper or magazine, or a senior official then its quite unlikely to find their name, or perhaps you'd get a name if you bought a collection of photos in an album?
One idea would be the BDM competitors of the winners of the various levels of the pre war national trades competitions held jointly by the youth movements and the DAF?
Good luck

[Cold Spring Child]

Thanks for the suggestions, Matt. A friend who lives in France is visiting Berlin next week, and he's offered to get a small photo into the newspaper asking for info. I'm trying to find a model who looks like the athelete, so I can replicate her photo in color; asked a young woman I spotted in a store today if she would model, and she looked at me like I asked her if she'd pose naked. I showed her the picture I was trying to replicate, but she was very resistant....maybe I need to work on my pickup skills . My wife says I offered too much money ($100 for 1 hour in the studio) for anything but porn and suggests I'll have better luck offering less....we grow too soon old and too late bold!

[brick2]

What did you expect the photograph is 'propoganda hot girl submissive angle nipples porn'

[brick2]

Notice the sleeve patch south sister?? the other one appears to be something Berlin.

[Eichenlaub]

Thanks to Chris Crawford at bdmhistory.com, the second photo has been sourced: it appeared in the October 1936 issue of The German Girls Magazine. Evidently the editors liked it too, as it was a full page photo with no caption, or even a page number. Chris has quite a few issues of the magazine posted on his site in the Original Materials section.

A nice picture, I have to say.

Actually, it was printed on p. 18 and on p. 32 [http://images17.fotki.com/v4/photos/1/1 ... _34-vi.jpg] it says: "Das Foto der Jungmädelführerin auf Seite 18 wurde uns von M. Stueber, Berlin, zur Verfügung gestellt." ["M. Stueber of Berlin provided us with the pic of the Young-Girls-Leaderin shown on p. 18."]

The only other pic by M. Stueber I found is shown here: http://bpkgate.picturemaxx.com/thumb.ph ... R=00027781

[Matt Gibbs]

Notice the sleeve patch south sister?? the other one appears to be something Berlin.

The young girls arm triangle is Southern Swabia, a district in Germany.

[Cold Spring Child]

Actually, it was printed on p. 18 and on p. 32 [http://images17.fotki.com/v4/photos/1/1 ... _34-vi.jpg] it says: "Das Foto der Jungmädelführerin auf Seite 18 wurde uns von M. Stueber, Berlin, zur Verfügung gestellt." ["M. Stueber of Berlin provided us with the pic of the Young-Girls-Leaderin shown on p. 18."]

Eichenlaub--Thanks for finding the photo credit, and the translation! It's a fabulous picture, but the more I look into the murky issues around rights and permissions, the more I'm convinced it will be more economical to pay a model and photographer to replicate the photo. Of course, that means finding the right model...
Stu

[Eichenlaub]

Eichenlaub--Thanks for finding the photo credit, and the translation! It's a fabulous picture, but the more I look into the murky issues around rights and permissions, the more I'm convinced it will be more economical to pay a model and photographer to replicate the photo. Of course, that means finding the right model...
Stu

You are welcome CSC.

Of course, I don't know in what form you plan to publish your novel, but I doubt that any person or organization holds copyright to this photo. I mean, who 'inherited' the Das Deutsche Mädel publication?

I would just use the original picture, and cite it in your acknowledgment section "Source of the title pic: Das Deutsche Mädel, Oktober 1936, S. 18".

[Heimatschuss]

Hello,

The only other pic by M. Stueber I found is shown here: http://bpkgate.picturemaxx.com/thumb.ph ... R=00027781

'M. Stueber' must be Margarete Stueber, a Berlin press photographer at the time. More than a dozen of her pictures are available at www.ullsteinbild.de I couldn't find any biographical data on her in a short Google search but perhpas when you dig deeper....

Best regards
Torsten

[UrbanEast]

Eichenlaub--Thanks for finding the photo credit, and the translation! It's a fabulous picture, but the more I look into the murky issues around rights and permissions, the more I'm convinced it will be more economical to pay a model and photographer to replicate the photo. Of course, that means finding the right model...
Stu

You are welcome CSC.

Of course, I don't know in what form you plan to publish your novel, but I doubt that any person or organization holds copyright to this photo. I mean, who 'inherited' the Das Deutsche Mädel publication?

Wouldn't Bavaria had inherited it, just as they inherited rights to most of the Third Reich newspapers etc?

[Cold Spring Child]

As the magazine is more than 70 years old, I'm not as concerned about their rights as I am about those of the photographer, M. Strueber. A few of her post-war photos are at http://www.v-like-vintage.net/en/discov ... e+struebel

By the way, V like Vintage Historical Community has lots of interesting photos, if you don't mind wading through all the stuff uploaded from bundesarchiv. Quite a few old family albums and such.

Still hunting for M. Struebel and/or a nice local nordic girl who doesn't mind being photographed in a Nazi gym shirt.

Stu