Martin Bormann & his wife Gerda

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Re: Martin Bormann & his wife Gerda

Post by Annelie » 24 Sep 2012 13:00

Thanks Helge, nice photos.

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Re: Martin Bormann & his wife Gerda

Post by Helge » 25 Sep 2012 21:47

Gerda Bormann (back to camera) with children and governesses visiting Hitler and Eva Braun. In the center of the picture - Adolf Hitler's godson Bormann.

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War does not decide who is right but only those who are left.

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Re: Martin Bormann & his wife Gerda

Post by Helge » 25 Sep 2012 22:59

Theodor Schmitz

Biographical Note * Eat 24th September 1916, after graduation (1935) studied theology in Frankfurt / M. (St. George) and Rome (Collegium Germanicum Hungaricum), 1941 Catholic Priest (Diocese of London), 1942 chaplain at St. Clara in Berlin-Neukölln, interrupted by military service as a medic and British prisoner of war (until 1946), 1945 guardian of the children Martin Bormann, 1948 vicar and diocesan secretary, 1949 notary on diocesan consistory, 1951 Episcopal secretary and master of ceremonies, 1954 Titl. Pastor, Kuratus Petershagen, 1956 invested pastor ibid., 1958 Archpriest, 1961 Bishop's, ex officio Vice, 1962 Pontifical House prelate, 1967 Resident canon (to 1992), promoter iustitiae, 1970-1979 and 1980-1982 Vicar General of the Bishops of London Alfred ↗ Bengsch and Joachim Meisner each for the eastern part of the diocese, 1974 shareholders for the Episcopal chair of Berlin in St. Benno publisher or agent of interest (up to 1985), 1979 at the Inter-diocesan promoter iustitiae Offizialat in Erfurt, 1982 Chairman of the St. - Hedwig Hospital in Berlin (until 1984), Commissioner of the Permanent Deacons and Diakonatshelfer, † Berlin 14 March 2003, Berlin 21 ▭ St. Hedwig's Cathedral Cemetery in March 2003.

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Re: Martin Bormann & his wife Gerda

Post by Helge » 25 Sep 2012 23:40

Daily News - 29.05.1987

Irmgard Bormann, a daughter of Hitler's secretary and top aide Martin Bormann, took a much dif­ferent view.
"I always wanted a husband who would be just like my father. I never got him," she said, with her face obscured by special lighting to avoid recognition by the TV au­dience.
"I can't be made responsible for what he did. He tried to do the best. It's that way in life, either eat or be eaten," said Ms. Bormann, who the television producer said now resides in Italy.
She noted she was 12 years old when the war ended and her father disappeared, and consequently had known him well. "As a father, he was angry"
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Post by Helge » 17 Oct 2012 16:35

Rudolf Gerhard Bormann , son of Nazi party bigwig Martin Bormann, greets Missionaries of the Roman Catholic order of the priests of the Holy Heart at their arrival by plane in Munich, Germany on November 28, 1964, from their mission in Congo. His brother, father Adolf Martin Bormann left the plane dressed as a pilot unnoticed by the waiting reporters. (AP Photo/Sansen)
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Re: Martin Bormann & his wife Gerda

Post by Helge » 01 May 2013 01:40

Gerda Bormann in hospital in Meran (Italy). Death is close but is assisted by his daughter Ilse Bormann (Eyke). I apologize for the quality of the photograph. Ilse died in 1958. This is perhaps the last photo for Gerda still alive.

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Re: Martin Bormann & his wife Gerda

Post by PieterMarinus » 08 Nov 2013 19:56

Helge,

There is a small error in the translation of 25 Sep 2012; Theodor Schmitz was in 1941 priest in Berlin (not London).

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Re: Martin Bormann & his wife Gerda

Post by Helge » 03 Apr 2014 10:54

Gerda Bormann is in the same grave of Gefreiter Horst Brugger.
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Re: Martin Bormann & his wife Gerda

Post by PieterMarinus » 14 Jul 2014 01:50

Helge, sorry to come back only now, I find the photo quite shocking and I'm amazed to see it. Can you please indicate from where you got it?

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Re: Martin Bormann & his wife Gerda

Post by Helge » 25 Feb 2015 22:29

PieterMarinus wrote:Helge, sorry to come back only now, I find the photo quite shocking and I'm amazed to see it. Can you please indicate from where you got it?

Kind Regards,
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http://magazin.spiegel.de/EpubDelivery/ ... f/44447748
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Re: Martin Borman & his wife Gerta

Post by Topspeed » 26 Feb 2015 07:16

Helge wrote:Martin Bormann to Gerda Bormann
Fuehrer's Headquarters

16. 1. 1943

My darling girl,

As I've told you, H.H.'s 1 visit today was by
no means a pleasure. He is deeply offended, and apparently
not just since yesterday or today. He feels unjustly treated
by the Chief, 2 and quoted examples to the effect from the
last few years.
While worthless people were being treated
well, and even with distinction, he, H.H., was considered
good enough only for raising divisions, and so on and so
forth. He brushed aside all my objections. I told him: yes,
indeed, the Chief too has the right to be unjust once in a
while--aren't we all unjust again and again, in spite of our
best intentions? And in the case of H.H., I said, constant
high praise had to be set against a single instance of criticism.
But it was no use. H.H.'s criticism was so very bitter, and
at times so acid, that in other circumstances I should have
had no choice but to get up and say: 'I'm sorry, but I must
take my leave from you and take off your uniform. The
Fuehrer is the Fuehrer, and he is beyond all criticism!'

I made allowances for H.H.'s state of nervous strain and
told him so; I said that, because of this nervous strain, he was
taking a lopsided and distorted view of things. Four weeks'
rest, and he himself would once more remember and duly
appreciate the Fuehrer's gigantic achievements and his
twenty-three years of ceaseless, restless effort. If nerves
played the devil with all of us at times, it was no wonder
that something of the sort happened to the Fuehrer whose
task was super-human. All the same, he towered over us like
Mt. Everest. And even if he were to dismiss us in a sudden
fit of anger, we would still have to be bound to him in
deepest gratitude--to our dear Fuehrer!

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1 Heinrich Himmler.
2 Hitler was called 'der Chief' by his immediate subordinates.


Publication Information: Book Title: The Bormann Letters: The Private Correspondence between Martin Bormann and His Wife from January 1943 to April 1945. Contributors: H. R. Trevor-Roper - editor, Martin Bormann - author. Publisher: Weidenfeld and Nicholson. Place of Publication: London. Publication Year: 1954.

Why did they speak english ? Why Chief...why not Der Führer ?

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Re: Martin Bormann & his wife Gerda

Post by Helge » 26 Feb 2015 11:08

Topspeed,

speak english because the letters have been translated. In the book there are the original letters and translations.
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Re: Martin Bormann & his wife Gerda

Post by Helge » 11 May 2015 16:03

Eva Ute Bormann in Gries am Brenner

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Re: Martin Borman & his wife Gerta

Post by Geoff Walden » 13 May 2015 08:56

Topspeed wrote:Why did they speak english ? Why Chief...why not Der Führer ?
This is a common error in English translations. I've seen it also in translations of some of Hitler's secretaries' memoirs, and others of the Inner Circle. They called Hitler "der Chef" (not to his face!) -- the Boss. But many translators do not understand that Chef = Boss, not Chief.

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Re: Martin Borman & his wife Gerta

Post by Topspeed » 30 Jul 2015 15:07

Geoff Walden wrote:
Topspeed wrote:Why did they speak english ? Why Chief...why not Der Führer ?
This is a common error in English translations. I've seen it also in translations of some of Hitler's secretaries' memoirs, and others of the Inner Circle. They called Hitler "der Chef" (not to his face!) -- the Boss. But many translators do not understand that Chef = Boss, not Chief.
Ok cause I kinda think that Chief is what Indians in america called they bosses ?

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