Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

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Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by Helge » 03 Jun 2012 07:08

Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg goes to his father. He is imprisoned in Nuremberg

Source: 30/09/1946 published by British Pathè
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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by J. Duncan » 03 Jun 2012 09:29

Thanks Helge for finding and posting some unique photos. I know a bit about Rosenberg, having read some of the biographical books available in English language. Rosenberg was married twice. I think Irene was a product of the second marriage. The first marriage was to a sweetheart Rosenberg knew in Moscow during his college years, a woman who I think went on to become a dancer and a liberal minded person. They became estranged and I think she later fell ill and Rosenberg divorced her. Rosenberg speaks of her in his memoirs. Little is known about Rosenberg's family life and this daughter Irene. Within the pages of Robert Cecil's "The Myth of the Master Race", there is a photo of a pudgy Rosenberg greeting Hitler on his birthday in the mid to late thirties with his young daughter Irene, who looks about 8 at the time.

For further information on Alfred Rosenberg and his thought please see the following:

1. Robert Cecil: "The Myth of the Master Race: Alfred Rosenberg and Nazi Ideology" (best bio in English)
2. Alfred Rosenberg "Memoirs"
"The Myth of the Twentieth Century" translated by Vivian Bird
"Selected Writings" (Roots of the Right book series) edited by Robert Pois
3. Fritz Nova: "Alfred Rosenberg: Nazi Theorist of the Holocaust"

4. James B. Whisker "The Philosophy of Alfred Rosenberg"
"The Social, Political, and Religious Thought of Alfred Rosenberg"
5. Peter Viereck "Metapolitics: From the German Romantics to Hitler"
6. Albert Chandler "Rosenberg's Nazi Myth".
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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by Helge » 03 Jun 2012 09:45

Yes Duncan. Rosenberg married Hilda Leesmann, also originally from the Baltic in 1915 and divorced in 1923. Two years later he married Hedwig Kramer, and had two children. The first, a boy, died shortly after birth. The second, Irene, was born in 1930.
Thanks Duncan for the indication of the books.
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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by J. Duncan » 03 Jun 2012 11:09

In his memoirs, Rosenberg writes he met Hilda on a train to St. Petersburg (not Moscow as I wrongly wrote above) where his grandparents were then living:
"Hilda came into more immediate Russian customs than I, and accepted them with appropriate sympathy...she had an adopted sister, Johanna, who at the Petersburg Academy of Art, had met and married the son of the Rector. This association also helped her become acquainted with the Russians....She played for me-she played well even then-Russian compositions: Borodin and Rimsky-Korsakov...Hilda returned to Paris. She took dancing lessons from the well known Professor Landosse, as well as rythmic gymnastics....Hilda had become a favorite pupil of jean Undine and was assisting in his teaching....I gained an insight into Hilda's work and world. As for the future, I was sure we would find a way together...Hilda's health grew worse, the doctor diagnosed tuberculosis. To bed immediately, or else you can order a coffin. This was terrible; a new worry that was never to end. Hilda lay in bed and was spoiled. .In the meantime my wife had returned from Switzerland and was looking for a cure. We had agreed to separate. She said that at first she might have been able to help me a little but now I had found my way. She was sick, she said, and probably would have to rely on other people for the rest of her life. The divorce was granted in the spring of 1923. later, she joined her parents in Reval, went to France in a final attempt to find a cure, and died".

So much for Hilda. That's all he writes of her. Sounds like he grew tired of her problems. When Göring later spoke of Rosenberg's fishy business in Paris during WWI, it was probably that Rosenberg was visiting his woman there.
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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by ladycplum » 17 Jun 2012 05:49

Wow, thanks for the pictures, very rare to see Irene. I remember reading Joseph Persico's book "Nuremberg: Infamy On Trial" he reported that on the first day when the families of the defendants were allowed to visit, Irene snapped at the chaplain who asked if she wanted to pray with him. After a few moments stunned silence, he assked her if she needed anything, and she told him to get her a cigarette
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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by Trackhead M2 » 26 Jun 2012 18:47

ladycplum wrote:Wow, thanks for the pictures, very rare to see Irene. I remember reading Joseph Persico's book "Nuremberg: Infamy On Trial" he reported that on the first day when the families of the defendants were allowed to visit, Irene snapped at the chaplain who asked if she wanted to pray with him. After a few moments stunned silence, he assked her if she needed anything, and she told him to get her a cigarette
Dear lcp,
It is a hard thing for a son or daughter to find out their father; the man who taught them right from wrong, may have aided and abetted the commission the biggest mass murder in history.
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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by ladycplum » 29 Jun 2012 05:33

Trackhead M2 wrote:
ladycplum wrote:Wow, thanks for the pictures, very rare to see Irene. I remember reading Joseph Persico's book "Nuremberg: Infamy On Trial" he reported that on the first day when the families of the defendants were allowed to visit, Irene snapped at the chaplain who asked if she wanted to pray with him. After a few moments stunned silence, he assked her if she needed anything, and she told him to get her a cigarette
Dear lcp,
It is a hard thing for a son or daughter to find out their father; the man who taught them right from wrong, may have aided and abetted the commission the biggest mass murder in history.
Strike Swiftly,
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Irene is a little bit on the Gudrun Himmler side. Idolized her father, was old enough to know what was going on, hated anything having to do with religion. Main difference is she dropped off the radar after Alfred was hanged, Gudrun picked up where her father left off (sans the murdering of course)
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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by Helge » 17 Oct 2012 03:11

Irene Rosenberg at the age of 23 years. I apologize for the picture: find a better picture.

Photo: Der Spiegel Archiv
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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by waldzee » 17 Oct 2012 03:42

ladycplum wrote:Wow, thanks for the pictures, very rare to see Irene. I remember reading Joseph Persico's book "Nuremberg: Infamy On Trial" he reported that on the first day when the families of the defendants were allowed to visit, Irene snapped at the chaplain who asked if she wanted to pray with him. After a few moments stunned silence, he assked her if she needed anything, and she told him to get her a cigarette
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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by Helge » 17 Oct 2012 20:21

I forgot: the Internet is never mentioned the date of birth of Irene. is 22 March 1930. Usually cite only the year.

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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by trespasser07 » 11 Jul 2013 10:30

Hi

Is the Rosenberg book by Robert Cecil a good read? I have little info on him and would like to learn more about the Reichsleiter.

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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by J. Duncan » 17 Jul 2013 08:43

Photo of 23 year old above doesn't look like the same girl in the British Pathe photos (girl with glasses). I have a photo in Cecil's book showing Irene as a child (I see the resemblance of the child to the 23 year old but not the girl with glasses in the Pathe photos). 23 year old also looks like her father. Are we certain girl with glasses is Irene? (This woman looks more like Seyss-Inquart) I believe the latest photo (immediate above, 23 year old) is definitely Irene, but not the woman with glasses.

Cecil's book is good but you won't find much information about his personal life...book goes into his first and second marriages only briefly and mentions his daughter only one or two times. Book is more of a political biography.

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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by trespasser07 » 17 Jul 2013 09:56

Cheers JD I will get a copy then, it is one of the less expensive out of print biographies out there.

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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by J. Duncan » 17 Jul 2013 10:37

It's worth having and I like it because it explains Rosenberg's intellectual background and the sources that he used to form his world view. There is much in there about his philosophical outlook, how he formed his theses for his writings such as the "Myth of the 20th Century", his later role as a spiritual guide for the education of National Socialism, anti-Semitism, art and culture (enmity with Goebbels), diplomacy (his foreign affairs bureau and rvalry with Ribbentrop) and Reich Commissioner for the Eastern Occupied territories (rivalry with Kube, Koch, Göring, Bormann).
There is another book by fritz nova, but this is mostly an explacation of his book " Myth "and how it led to the Holocaust.
If you are interested in Rosenberg, his memoirs are interesting. I've read through the English translation of Mythus by Vivian Bird and it is exactly what Hitler called it: "stuff nobody can understand". Part II on art and culture is simply impossible! best part (easier to grasp) is part III "the reich"

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Re: Irene Rosenberg Daughter of Alfred Rosenberg

Post by trespasser07 » 17 Jul 2013 10:54

Sounds very interesting! Because Rosenberg and Streicher were writers I think some people question their sentence at Nuremberg as being too harsh, as a lot of people thought they talked a lot of nonsense. How does Cecil's book hold up to some of the other large biographies on the other third reich bigwigs?

Interesting as ever JD :)

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