SS-wardresses

[Vikki]

I don't know that book but the photo of Hildegard Neumann usually used is a photo of a Heer (Army) Stabshelferin, not that of a SS auxiliary. Perhaps Neumann worked for the Army in some kind of clerical position before changing over to the SS but I wouldn't be surprised if it's not a photo of her at all either.

For example, in the photo that is labelled as being of her on the first page of this thread. In addition to a uniform which is definitely not an SS-Helferin uniform, on her tie she also wears the type of pin pictured below (from my collection), which Angolia and Schlicht in Uniforms and Traditions of the German Army 1933-1945 (vol. 2, p. 127) refer to as a badge for civilian employees of the Army and Navy.

~Vikki

[Heimatschuss]

Hello Vikki,

thank you for pointing to the Neumann photo on page 1. That's the one I meant.

Best regards
Torsten

[paolosilv]

Hildegard Neuman, Theresienstadt. Has anyone found out what happened to her, or Irene Hashke (Belsen). Thank you.

[paolosilv]

http://isurvived.org/InTheNews/Auschwit ... loric.html
Regarding the Karl Hoecker album, as it is called, it shows a group of SS Hilferrinen. Has any research been done on who these women were? Should they also have been prosecuted?

It says that the women were Communications specialists (Kommunikations-Spezialist), rather than guards - but they were still integral to the Holocaust.




Kathrin Kompisch, Täterinnen - Frauen im Nationalsozialismus, Köln 2008, S. 161

Silke Schäfer: Zum Selbstverständnis von Frauen im Konzentrationslager. Das Lager Ravensbrück.. Berlin 2002 (Dissertation als PDF-Datei)

Brown, Daniel Patrick, The Camp Women. The Female Auxiliaries Who Assisted the SS in Running the Nazi Concentration Camp System. Atglen, Pa.: Schiffer Publishing Ltd., 2002. ISBN 0-7643-1444-0

Best, Paolo

[history1]

http://isurvived.org/InTheNews/Auschwit ... loric.html
Regarding the Karl Hoecker album, as it is called, it shows a group of SS Helferinnen. Has any research been done on who these women were? Should they also have been prosecuted?
[...]

Then you must prosecute all railway workers too. Together with all labor workers who built tracks or roads. They, at least, helped to run the Holocaust in their own way. They could have resist and get shot instead. Don´t forget the camp inmates who help to run the camps, from those who helped by disembarking wagons till those who worked together with Germans in a lab or office.

I´m not very familiar with trials but it doesn´t make sense to me to prosecute those women. Would like to know if it happened. Otherwise one most prosecute even a simple medic who worked in the SS - military hospital because he helped to rehabilitate thier health and could be jointly responsible for their future actions in this way.

Conclusion: Too much speculation and no facts that realy doesn´t bring some of value.

[Vikki]

paolosilv, you wrote:

http://isurvived.org/InTheNews/Auschwit ... loric.html
Regarding the Karl Hoecker album, as it is called, it shows a group of SS Hilferrinen. Has any research been done on who these women were? Should they also have been prosecuted?

It says that the women were Communications specialists (Kommunikations-Spezialist), rather than guards -

With the possible exception of the first photo of the women on the page, where their uniforms aren't clearly visible, the women are indeed dressed in the uniforms of SS-Helferinnen (communications auxiliaries), rather than as Aufseherinnen (camp wardresses). On the differences in uniform, training, and duties of these two female jobs see:
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 6#p1627716
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... 5#p1284565

In addition, captions to the photos on the page indicate that the women were at "Solahuette, the SS retreat near Auschwitz"--not in the camp.

Given that, and in the same vein as history1's reply, please explain this statement:

but they were still integral to the Holocaust.

~Vikki

[Helge]

Hildegard Neuman, Theresienstadt. Has anyone found out what happened to her, or Irene Hashke (Belsen). Thank you.

The correct name is: Irene Haschke .

Helge

[Vikki]

Thanks Helge. Your research is very much appreciated here.

~Vikki

[paolosilv]

Thanks for the responses. I don't believe they should be prosecuted now (assuming they're alive). But if they worked in Auschwitz Birkenau sending Telexes to Berlin for Rudolf Hoess, then it stands to reason they were complicit in the Holocaust. If they had nothing to do with the camp, then let the research show what they did.

As for the railway workers, those in authority should have been prosecuted. I believe that only Julius Dorpmueller was prosecuted as director of the Reichsbahn.

It's clear that the transportation of millions of people to their deaths is a form of complicity in the Holocaust. Dorpmueller and others in charge must have known, and if he didn't know, then he was too stupid to live.

[history1]

I don´t understand you that want prosecute someone because she was sending some telex, even if they worked inside the camp.

Just a minor side note, not meant as offense (just because I finished to read a book about the massacre and investigations thereafter a week ago):
Let "us" re-open the Ly Mai (4) - case. There has been to many killings of innocent civilists down in `Nam, starting from babies with a few month to old, disabled women and men. Countless numbers of homicides, covered up by authorities from platoon leaders up to generals & investigators of the case!
Let us talk about the former president R. Nixon who paroled the convicted murder and war criminal W. Calley jr., the only man who has been helt responsible for his, and his troops, doings.
While real heroes like Hugh Thompson, jr. got exposed to smear campaigns.

[paolosilv]

I should have clarified my statement. They should have been investigated after the war. It's obvious that if you send a telex from Rudolf Hoess, the Commandant of Auschwitz, to Himmler, then you would be considered complicit in the Holocaust.
Here's my proof:
source: de.wiki, google trans.
Wilhelm Friedrich Keilhaus (born December 11, 1898 in Hohenstein-Ernstthal; died January 11, 1977) was a German police and SS officer, last SS-Brigadeführer and Generalmajor of the Waffen-SS.

In July 1943, Keil House was appointed inspector for the Intelligence in the Office of the Chief of the SS leadership. From 1944 to 1945 he was chief of telecommunications for the Ministry of Himmler.
After the war, Keilhaus fell into British captivity. After staying in various POW camps, including camps in Iceland Farm Special Camp 11, he was on 23 Released October 1947 in the Neuengamme Zivilinternierungslager about 1948 and from there went free. Afterwards Keilhaus operated in West Germany as a consultant for telecommunications.

SS Helferinnen or SS Helpers, are not the same as

SS Aufseherrinen, Female guardians in the camps, under the auspices of the SS.

DESCRIPTION:the Women’s Auxiliary of the SS. Female auxiliaries in the Waffen-SS were divided into two categories: SS Auxiliaries (SS-Helferinnen): Those female signal personnel trained at the SS school located at Oberenheim/Alsace (Reichsschule für SS-Helferinnen Oberenheim.) and SS War Auxiliaries (SS-Kriegshelferinnen): All other auxiliary female personnel employed by the SS permanently or temporarily. The SS auxiliary was made up of females normally between 17 and 30 years of age. They were employed as telephonists, teleprinter operators, and radio operators. Selected female personnel were promoted to NCO or officer ranks after successfully passing special training courses.

The Chef der Fernmelderwesens (Head of the Communications System) is exclusively responsible for SS-Helferinnen.

As for the prosecution of crimes during other wars, that is another matter.
yours, Paolo
USA

[L. Rosas]

In regards to Irma Grese, it's unfathomable to imagine a teenage girl given such power over life and death that had to have gone to her head. Her vanity and sexual depravity would make the perfect archetype for a female movie villain for this age. It's hard to imagine such a girl ever existed and yet so tragically true.

[BookonGrese]

I’m writing a book on Grese focusing on why and how she became the “ hyena” of Auschwitz. It’s very simple how she turned so vicious if you put all the pieces into place.

[Grese_Book_Author]

Here is a pic of Herta Bothe. About a year ago I saw a documentary on German television. She was interviewed more then 50 years after the war.

I tried to watch that but I don't speak German. Does anyone know of one with subtitles? I would love to see this video - or, at least, a transcript.

Here is a small part of the interview: https://archive.org/details/HertaBothev ... ionAdvised