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Post by Marcus » 22 Aug 2002 13:34

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German director Leni Riefenstahl - best known for making films for Adolf Hitler - is celebrating her 100th birthday on Thursday.
Despite being widely acclaimed as one of the world's greatest film-makers, her reputation continues to be dogged by her links with leading Nazis.
Her two greatest films, Triumph of the Will and Olympia, were sponsored by Hitler's regime and are widely regarded as classic examples of political propaganda.
But in a recent interview, Riefenstahl, who lives in Munich, was characteristically unrepentant.
"I don't know what I should apologise for," she said.
"I cannot apologise, for example, for having made Triumph of the Will. It won the top prize. All my films won the top prize."
On Thursday German prosecutors announced they were launching a judicial inquiry into the film-maker on suspicion of "Holocaust denial".
A spokesman for the public prosecutor's office in Frankfurt said it followed a complaint by the German gypsies' association Rom.
Riefenstahl used gypsies from German concentration camps as extras in her 1940 film Tiefland, but Rom said her denials that any of them were subsequently killed - claiming she had seen them all after the war - are blatant lies.
Riefenstahl's biographer, Rainer Rother, confirmed that although she was "one of the most skilful directors that film has ever seen", her links with the Nazi regime were undeniable.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/2209547.stm

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Post by Dan » 22 Aug 2002 13:47

On Thursday German prosecutors announced they were launching a judicial inquiry into the film-maker on suspicion of "Holocaust denial".


That's all I needed to hear 1 hour before going to work this morning :x

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Post by tonyh » 22 Aug 2002 15:21

>>On Thursday German prosecutors announced they were launching a judicial inquiry into the film-maker on suspicion of "Holocaust denial".<<

:roll:

Could they not leave the poor woman alone?

Tony

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Post by Richard Miller » 22 Aug 2002 18:10

Two of Leni's works received the medal of excellence at the Paris Film Festival in 1937

Triumph of the Will as well as Olympiad

When word spread about the Nazi atrocities, both films were labeled as Nazi propaganda, and she was stripped of the medals.

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Re: So Senna

Post by Max » 23 Aug 2002 11:05

David C. Clarke wrote:So Senna, now wouldn't be the time for me to mention that I am a fan of Sergei Eisenstein, would it? Cheers, David :lol:


Wow!!! - He made films as well???
As if E=mc² wasn't enough.

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Re: So Senna

Post by Marcus » 23 Aug 2002 11:27

Max wrote:
David C. Clarke wrote:So Senna, now wouldn't be the time for me to mention that I am a fan of Sergei Eisenstein, would it? Cheers, David :lol:


Wow!!! - He made films as well???
As if E=mc² wasn't enough.


It's not the same person.

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Sergei Mikhailovich Eisenstein
( http://www.carleton.edu/curricular/MEDA ... senste.htm )

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Albert Einstein
( http://www.ma.huji.ac.il )

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Happy bitrhday Leni

Post by ZeitGeist » 23 Aug 2002 13:09

Happy bitrhday Leni, hope to see "Olympia" asap !
Anyone knows if she reads this forum sometimes ? :)

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denial

Post by HaEn » 23 Aug 2002 14:32

tonyh wrote:>>On Thursday German prosecutors announced they were launching a judicial inquiry into the film-maker on suspicion of "Holocaust denial".<<

:roll:

Could they not leave the poor woman alone?

Tony


Sad isn't it ? As if there are no worse problems in the world to worry about. Besides, I 've seen an interview on TV a few years ago, and at no point she denied that there was a holocaust; she just mentioned that she did not know about it until later. They are scraping the bottom of the barrel, for sure. Disrepectfully to "them" HN.

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Post by Max » 23 Aug 2002 14:43

It's not the same person

Thanks Marcus
Now I get it
No doubt this understandable confusion was how an incident known as the Philadelphia Experiment [aka "Project Rainbow."] came about.
Evidently, Einstein's theory of relativity was not only used to develop the atom bomb but was also used to render a battleship [Potemkin] invisible and to be teleported from Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, to Norfolk, Virginia during WWII.
Funny though that a US Navy ship should have a Russian name.

Max :wink: :wink: :wink:

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Oh dear - Sorry Marcus
The Einstein/Eisenstein thing started out as a joke
[ memo to myself] NEVER MAKE A POST AFTER TOO MUCH RED WINE
[a very nice Tahbilk Shiraz actually - too much is NEVER enough- but I digress]
Sorry again

Happy birthday Leni
We are all looking forward to your next film
Max

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Post by sylvieK4 » 23 Aug 2002 17:55

Quote of ZeitGeist:
Anyone knows if she reads this forum sometimes ?


Well, if she does, she will see that she still has many fans who continue to admire her work and her attitude toward life, and many who support her now.

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Enough Already!

Post by White Leopard » 23 Aug 2002 19:46

On Thursday German prosecutors announced they were launching a judicial inquiry into the film-maker on suspicion of "Holocaust denial".
A spokesman for the public prosecutor's office in Frankfurt said it followed a complaint by the German gypsies' association Rom.
Riefenstahl used gypsies from German concentration camps as extras in her 1940 film Tiefland, but Rom said her denials that any of them were subsequently killed - claiming she had seen them all after the war - are blatant lies.


I doubt that this excercise is going to increase anyone's measure of virtue! :x

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Post by LEVE » 24 Aug 2002 04:29

Taken from the Spokane Spokesman-Review 23/08/2002

German filmmaker has 100th birthday Riefenstahl also faces charges by Gypsies of Holocaust denial

David Rising
Associated Press

BERLIN _ Leni Riefenstahl, who made masterful films for the Nazis, turned 100 on Thursday with a birthday party at a lakeside hotel -- and a fresh criminal investigation into whether she broke German law prohibiting Holocaust denial.

The probe was prompted by a Gypsy organization's claim that Riefenstahl used slave laborers from concentration camps as extras in her film "Lowlands."

The accusation by the Cologne-based organization Rom said Riefenstahl used 120 Gypsies from camps in Salzburg and Berlin from 1940 to 1942, then failed to prevent them from being returned to the Nazi camp system, where many died.

The group accuses Riefenstahl of Holocaust denial for dismissing those allegations as nonsense in an April interview published in the Frankfurter Rundschau newspaper.

"We saw all the Gypsies that played in `Lowlands' again after the war," Riefenstahl was quoted as saying. "Nothing happened to them."

Iris Pinkepank, spokeswoman for Rom, said her organization could prove many of those Gypsies died by comparing Riefenstahl's own lists of people appearing in the film with records from the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz in German-occupied Poland. She said her organization did not sue Riefenstahl for money.

"Leni Riefenstahl is a woman who cares for her own history -- she makes sure that only the truth she wants to read and only her version is published," Pinkepank said. "But there are some survivors still living and we have contact with them and they want their version to be told. They wanted to have a voice."

Frankfurt prosecutor's spokesman Job Tilman said his office started a preliminary investigation, which could lead to criminal charges.

It is estimated that the Nazis killed at least 250,000 Gypsies during the Holocaust, in addition to 6 million Jews and people from other groups deemed racially inferior.

Although postwar American and French panels cleared Riefenstahl of responsibility for Nazi war crimes, she has been dogged by allegations she was more deeply involved in the Nazi cause than she admits.

Biographer Juergen Trimborn, whose "Riefenstahl: A German Career" was released this month, said Riefenstahl's use of Gypsies showed she was willing to work within the Nazi system to advance her career.

"These people, she was only interested in them for her film and then nothing after that," Trimborn said. "That they went on to die in the Nazi gas chambers of Auschwitz, she had no interest."

German media reports on Riefenstahl's birthday -- celebrated privately with nearly 200 friends near her Munich-area home -- reflect the difficulty many have in trying to reconcile her place in history.

"Old woman, or Hitler's witch? Filmmaker of the century or the Fuehrer's career woman? Pinup girl of the Nazis, or only narcissist?" wrote the Bild national newspaper.

In Die Welt newspaper, several of Riefenstahl's peers, including "Basic Instinct" director Paul Verhoeven, focused on her contribution to filmmaking.

Verhoeven said Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will," a documentary of the 1934 Nazi party rallies in Nuremberg, was the work of a brilliant artist.

"It is so innovative and intelligent, that I think Riefenstahl has to be classified as one of the most talented artists of the first half of the 20th century," the newspaper quoted Verhoeven as saying. "The cuts, the use of different focal lengths, the movement of the cameras -- everything was incredibly innovative."

Verhoeven said Riefenstahl should be given the same second chance given other artists with close Nazi connections.

However, many Germans say that is impossible because Riefenstahl has refused to acknowledge her work's contribution to glorifying the Nazis.

Jodie Foster, who is directing and starring in a film on Riefenstahl, said she hopes to depict both sides of the argument.

"She was perhaps one of the most important filmmakers of all time, and despite that her work will remain bound with the horrors of National Socialist Germany forever," Foster told Die Welt.

Riefenstahl still defends her Nazi-era work, including the international award-winning documentary on the 1936 Olympics, "Olympia."

Riefenstahl told German magazine Neue Revue she had grown weary and was waiting to die.

"I would like to fall asleep, feel good and then have it all end. Adieu. That must be very beautiful."


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German filmmaker has 100th birthday
Riefenstahl also faces charges by Gypsies of Holocaust denial


David Rising
Associated Press

BERLIN _ Leni Riefenstahl, who made masterful films for the Nazis, turned 100 on Thursday with a birthday party at a lakeside hotel -- and a fresh criminal investigation into whether she broke German law prohibiting Holocaust denial.

The probe was prompted by a Gypsy organization's claim that Riefenstahl used slave laborers from concentration camps as extras in her film "Lowlands."

The accusation by the Cologne-based organization Rom said Riefenstahl used 120 Gypsies from camps in Salzburg and Berlin from 1940 to 1942, then failed to prevent them from being returned to the Nazi camp system, where many died.

The group accuses Riefenstahl of Holocaust denial for dismissing those allegations as nonsense in an April interview published in the Frankfurter Rundschau newspaper.

"We saw all the Gypsies that played in `Lowlands' again after the war," Riefenstahl was quoted as saying. "Nothing happened to them."

Iris Pinkepank, spokeswoman for Rom, said her organization could prove many of those Gypsies died by comparing Riefenstahl's own lists of people appearing in the film with records from the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz in German-occupied Poland. She said her organization did not sue Riefenstahl for money.

"Leni Riefenstahl is a woman who cares for her own history -- she makes sure that only the truth she wants to read and only her version is published," Pinkepank said. "But there are some survivors still living and we have contact with them and they want their version to be told. They wanted to have a voice."

Frankfurt prosecutor's spokesman Job Tilman said his office started a preliminary investigation, which could lead to criminal charges.

It is estimated that the Nazis killed at least 250,000 Gypsies during the Holocaust, in addition to 6 million Jews and people from other groups deemed racially inferior.

Although postwar American and French panels cleared Riefenstahl of responsibility for Nazi war crimes, she has been dogged by allegations she was more deeply involved in the Nazi cause than she admits.

Biographer Juergen Trimborn, whose "Riefenstahl: A German Career" was released this month, said Riefenstahl's use of Gypsies showed she was willing to work within the Nazi system to advance her career.

"These people, she was only interested in them for her film and then nothing after that," Trimborn said. "That they went on to die in the Nazi gas chambers of Auschwitz, she had no interest."

German media reports on Riefenstahl's birthday -- celebrated privately with nearly 200 friends near her Munich-area home -- reflect the difficulty many have in trying to reconcile her place in history.

"Old woman, or Hitler's witch? Filmmaker of the century or the Fuehrer's career woman? Pinup girl of the Nazis, or only narcissist?" wrote the Bild national newspaper.

In Die Welt newspaper, several of Riefenstahl's peers, including "Basic Instinct" director Paul Verhoeven, focused on her contribution to filmmaking.

Verhoeven said Riefenstahl's "Triumph of the Will," a documentary of the 1934 Nazi party rallies in Nuremberg, was the work of a brilliant artist.

"It is so innovative and intelligent, that I think Riefenstahl has to be classified as one of the most talented artists of the first half of the 20th century," the newspaper quoted Verhoeven as saying. "The cuts, the use of different focal lengths, the movement of the cameras -- everything was incredibly innovative."

Verhoeven said Riefenstahl should be given the same second chance given other artists with close Nazi connections.

However, many Germans say that is impossible because Riefenstahl has refused to acknowledge her work's contribution to glorifying the Nazis.

Jodie Foster, who is directing and starring in a film on Riefenstahl, said she hopes to depict both sides of the argument.

"She was perhaps one of the most important filmmakers of all time, and despite that her work will remain bound with the horrors of National Socialist Germany forever," Foster told Die Welt.

Riefenstahl still defends her Nazi-era work, including the international award-winning documentary on the 1936 Olympics, "Olympia."

Riefenstahl told German magazine Neue Revue she had grown weary and was waiting to die.

"I would like to fall asleep, feel good and then have it all end. Adieu. That must be very beautiful."

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Post by Frank Mills » 24 Aug 2002 04:55

Leni, Happy 100th Birthday -

It is with heartfelt appreciation that I am able to call you my friend. Thank you again for the photographs, your autographs, and your letters. I know that it has been ten years since we last corresponded with each other, but it seems as if it were only a few days ago.

Your additions to the film industry are most appreciated and for those who believe that you were more in to the political realm of the National Socialist government of the times, rather than "just filming the world events around you ( me )", I say so what.

Enjoy your birthday Leni. Enjoy every moment of it.

Again, Happy 100th Birthday. If only I am able to half as much as you have accomplished at your age.

Respectfully to all -

Frank M.

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Post by Jeff O » 24 Aug 2002 05:51

Incredible DVD....thanks Leni!

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