Female Auxiliary Photographs

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Post by Matt Gibbs » 17 Jan 2008 17:45

ancasta wrote:Yes its true, Marinehelferin are sadly lacking in the photo stakes. Here's one rare photo sent to me by a collector. Note her cuff title is the late war Rayon version with no yellow borders. The cuffband in the photo is in my possession. The owner believed that the photo was taken in autumn 1944, but wasnt sure.

Do you notice that two of the ladies are wearing Kriegmarine pants, but the photo isnt clear enough to see if they are male or female (styled) ones.
Forgot to ask what the badge is the woman with the cuffband is wearing on her jacket. Is it clearer on the original photo please?
thanks Ancasta ;)
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Post by Hallandsen » 18 Jan 2008 23:23

Hi
Pics.shown here: named:
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Woman in the Reichsluftschutzbund. From my personal collection. "

those are enterely with cuffband and badge from "Werkschutz" in Wiesbaden.
that means they are/could be workers on a plant.

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Post by Vikki » 30 Jan 2008 22:24

From the cover of Die Wehrmacht magazine, 29 Januar 1941: "Nachrichtenhelferin der Luftwaffe."
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Post by Heimatschuss » 02 Feb 2008 11:37

Hello all,

time for me to post something new here

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Source: http://www.ebay.de auction no. 220188424854


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Two Flakhelferinnen wearing M44 uniforms. In this photo you can see the oblong rank patch of this uniform type very well. Until now I had never noticed that there had been a distinct change in the rank insignia. On earlier Helferin uniforms the chevrons were directly sewn onto the upper sleeve. With the M44s this changed to the way displayed.
Source: http://www.ebay.de auction no. 200186026355


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Post by Heimatschuss » 02 Feb 2008 15:30

...and here are two good portrait shots of a Heer Nachrichtenhelferin-Oberhelferin.

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Source: http://www.ebay.de auction no. 200184556823

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Source: http://www.ebay.de auction no. 200184557073.


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Post by Matt Gibbs » 02 Feb 2008 19:37

With regard to my 3 photos on page 8 of the thread from my collection under a magnifyer the woman in the group of 5 who is 2nd left has the collar rank tabs with 2 close together "V"s and 1 pip. Is this different to the other photo which much more clearly shows one "v" and a pip? I was guessing so but I have no books with Heer womens ranks. I need to get the Blitzmadel book badly I think. LoL.
These books always lag behind uniform and awards books for the men I guess :(
I really should scan a few more of these photos I know.
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Post by Heimatschuss » 02 Feb 2008 20:30

Hello Matt,

Nachrichtenhelferin-Oberführerin: 1 V and one pip on the shirt collar, colour aluminium
Nachrichtenhelferin-Hauptführerin: 2 Vs and one pip on the shirt collar, colour aluminium

Nachrichtenhelferin-Oberstabsführerin: 1 V and one pip on the shirt collar, colour gold

I'd love to see some more of your helfs :D

Source:
A. Schlicht/ J.R: Angolia
Die Deutsche Wehrmacht
Uniformen und Ausrüstung 1933-1945
Vol.1: Das Heer
3rd Ed., Motorbuch Verlag, Stuttgart, 1996
p.555

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Post by Vikki » 02 Feb 2008 20:50

Matt,

Like Torsten, I use Angolia as the source for the ranks rather than the Blitzmädchen book.

For further general information on the insignia, the ranks Vorhelferin through Unterführerin ("NCO" ranks) wore their rank on the left sleeve below the blitz patch, while Führerin through Oberstabsführerin (2nd Lieutenant through Lt. Colonel) wore the insignia on their collars.

The lady in your picture is the equivalent of a Hauptmann, quite a high rank for a woman in the auxiliary services!

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Post by Vikki » 02 Feb 2008 21:40

Torsten,

Something I thought you might find interesting:

The same insignium on the sleeve of a "hip-length jacket" (Angolia's term), issued earlier in the same year as the "waist-length" or "M44" jackets. Not sewn directly to the sleeve, but on a piece of cloth that was probably then trimmed to the outline of the chevron and sewn to the jacket. Though in some photos they do appear to be sewn directly to the jacket, I think it would be difficult to sew the thin Tresse directly to the bulk of the sleeve neatly. And some women may not have trimmed their insignia at all when they received them, preferring to just sew on the whole patch.

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Post by Heimatschuss » 03 Feb 2008 09:56

Thank you for clarifying the patch thing, Fräulein Valkyrie.

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Post by Vikki » 03 Feb 2008 16:01

Not so much a clarification as an observation. And I'd be very interested in anything you're able to find on the subject!

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Post by Matt Gibbs » 06 Feb 2008 23:00

With regard to the sewing of rank tresse onto backing, I have seen a couple of period rank badges done in this way. One was a 2 v stripe piece and the other with 2 and an additional looped one. The thin tresse was sewn onto a bluey grey wool cloth piece of material that was only just big enough, and the silver badges sewn on to it, and then the cloth sewn onto the uniform afterwards.
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Post by Vikki » 09 Feb 2008 03:42

An uncut example for comparison.

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Post by Matt Gibbs » 09 Feb 2008 19:12

Nice vikki, shows the examples between "makers".
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Post by Vikki » 10 Feb 2008 06:51

I was sure you'd appreciate it, Matt. :wink:

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