Female Auxiliary Photographs

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Re: Female Auxiliary Photographs

Postby Hitguy » 06 Nov 2010 12:56

Heimatschuss wrote:First of all :welcome:

Thanks :milsmile:
Heimatschuss wrote:I don't think there were any Luftwaffe Helferinnen in Africa ever. At least I've never heard of any though I've been reading all kinds of literature on Helferinnen for several years now.

Heimatschuss, in this way, all units Fliegerführer Africa in Tunisia (including staff divisions) don't possessed any Helferinnen(Luftnachrichtenhelferinnen, Stabshelferinnen)? I am not a specialist in this area, but this seem strange at least.

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Re: Female Auxiliary Photographs

Postby carius » 07 Nov 2010 18:49

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Re: Female Auxiliary Photographs

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Re: Female Auxiliary Photographs

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Re: Female Auxiliary Photographs

Postby Heimatschuss » 06 Dec 2010 01:14

Hello,

time for a bit of new stuff again. Attached you'll find the first full example of a Luftwaffe female auxiliary with the 'V' specialist patch for Verwaltungshelferinnen (administration auxiliaries) that I've ever encountered. This patch was introduced only in late 1942 when just those female auxiliaries stationed abroad received uniform costumes while the bulk of Luftwaffe administrative work occured back in Germany of course. This may explain the rarity of this patch.
The late introduction also seems to be responsible for the much lower quality base cloth used which is quite obvious when you compare the material of the jacket with the patch in this photo.

I have to admit that even for me it's not clear at the moment where the difference was between Luftwaffe Verwaltungshelferin and Luftwaffe Stabshelferin. The latter received a completely different trade patch (diamond shaped with the inscription Stabshelferin while the work the two categories seems to have been more or less the same.

A Luftwaffenhelferin by the first name of Lieselotte gave away this photo postcard as a souvenir while in Zakopane in Nov. 1943. Zakopane is a mountain resort in Southern Poland that had been more or less confiscated by the Wehrmacht entirely. The famous town in the Caparthian Mountains was the location of quite a number of Wehrmacht sanatoriums and holiday homes.

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Date: Aug. 29th, 2010, 19:04:52 hrs CEST

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Re: Female Auxiliary Photographs

Postby Heimatschuss » 06 Dec 2010 22:07

Hello,

here's another rare example of a trade patch, actually it seems to be something very special. Not knowing what it is I asked around in the Axis Uniforms section here as well as on WAF but nobody has ever encountered this patch.

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The best idea so far is that the woman is a Flakhelferin because those did wear their known specialist patches on the lower left sleeve. Also the general patch for Flakhelferin that was worn on the upper right sleeve shows a sword.

Further suggestions always welcome.

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Re: Female Auxiliary Photographs

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Re: Female Auxiliary Photographs

Postby peeved » 26 Dec 2010 08:59

Luftwaffe auxiliaries in Italy. Rather dark uniforms. One with, two without breast eagle; 1 German, 2 Italian? Photo from my Motley Collection of Fine Arts.

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Re: Female Auxiliary Photographs

Postby Stojespal » 28 Dec 2010 02:02

Torsten,

Absolutely fascinating. The combination of factors both photographic and historical may have worked in concert to confuse me, thank you for confirming proper regional placement! :)

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Re: Female Auxiliary Photographs

Postby Heimatschuss » 28 Dec 2010 21:34

Hello Markus,

peeved wrote:Luftwaffe auxiliaries in Italy. Rather dark uniforms. One with, two without breast eagle; 1 German, 2 Italian? Photo from my Motley Collection of Fine Arts.

Markus


a very interesting photo. I thought of bidding for it too when it was offered on Ebay (but then forgot the auction completely :oops: ). So thank you for allowing us a closer inspection here.

As you already observed the uniforms are unusually dark. I think these are actually members of the female branch of Italy's fascist party (Fasci Femminili) that are serving as a welcoming committee for German troop transports.

Here's a site with some examples of their uniforms: http://www.littorio.com/pnf/fafemminili/foto3-i.htm. Note for example the shoulder boards that are also visible in your photo and which didn't exist on the uniforms of German Helferinnen.
The Luftwaffe eagle as well as the stylized birds two of the ladies have on their collars must be souvenirs from German soldiers. That they 'integrated' these insignia into their uniforms may seem odd but according to http://www.ccnnmontebello.com/femminili.html no strict uniform code for the fascist female branch existed. Each local organisation (Fascio Femminile) developed its own style and adhered to it more or less. That led to quite some latitude in the dresses.

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P.S.: There was also a second photo of them for sale. Did you buy that too? I'd really like to see it.

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Re: Female Auxiliary Photographs

Postby peeved » 28 Dec 2010 22:17

Hello Torsten,

And thanks for decoding the FF uniform code. I did wonder about the lack of uniform footwear but the Italian reuse of Luftwaffe eagle is a real surprise. Still no wonder the photo caught my eye; I don't normally eBay for photos without weapon or vehicle content but occasionally find myself bidding for shots like this one and the RADwJ pic I posted.

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Markus

P.S. I too saw the other welcome wagon photo but didn't get that one. Still... 'Tis better to have bid and lost than never to have bid at all. :wink:


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