Eva Braun or Eva Hitler?

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Post by Navy Vet » 26 Sep 2002 11:11

Any color photos of her?

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Post by Phaethon » 26 Sep 2002 11:52

Navy Vet wrote:Any color photos of her?
Obviously there are no pictures of Eva Hitler, but quite few of Eva Braun. She appears in several colour home movies from which stills are often taken.

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Post by Eva » 26 Sep 2002 20:31

Here's one more. this was at an Easter-egg hunt at hte Berghof, I'm not sure what year.
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Post by KRO » 26 Sep 2002 20:49

Some time ago there was this young blonde-haired,blue-eyed,tall and slender and quite attractive lady that was at the time married to a man(if its permissible to call this sorta individual such).It was a known secret in the community that the poor girl was in an unhappy marriage being held prisoner by a tyrant that couldnt rightfully be reckoned as either a friend or a lover.She was desparate to make her escape but stayed out of fear,then an ideal opportunity presented itself,a brother to one of her close friends who had been in prison for shooting a man had recently been released and so she cleverly devised a scheme wherein she and this newly-freed badman would strike up an extra-marital fling by which she takes leave at last of her abusively domineering husband realizing that he is no more than a timid schoolgirl in regards to confronting an ex-con.The marriage quickly crumbles with not the slightest hint of retaliation from her eventually ex-husband ... but all didnt go to plans,for once she had ridden herself of the first tyrant she gained in the process a more possessive tyrant than ever her former husband had been.She sneaked far away,to another state and moved in with her sister so as to get away,only to be stalked by an ex-felon and brought back and to marry,thus her liberator became her captor.I told of this,sad but true story as a means to lay the groundwork of a synopsis to what possibly was the situation with Eva in her relationship to Adolf,a bird in a gilded cage ... the question being,"Did she willingly fly into this cage or was she caught and placed inside?Its quite possible that she was attracted and flew too close.Women are uncontrollably drawn to men in power,and what other man at that period of history was more powerful?It has been witnessed to by countless individuals that Adolf possessed what can be described as an hypnotic aura about him,this,along with the fact that Adolf was held by the majority of Germans as being the chosen one,the Fuhrer ... a Germanic savior,the Messiah ... I ask you what girl could refuse?,for its not every day that a woman can become mistress to Christ himself.As a small boy I became acquainted with this phenomenon known as the Third Reich owing to the event of my grandparents buying a home in which the former owners left behind a cash of books,among which was a graphic pictorial work dealing with WW2,and for a young lad of 4 or 5 years of age this was a monumental occurrence which Im certain fashioned all following days of my life.I recall my grandfather talking to me concerning Herr Hitler when I was quite young,telling me that it was rumored that Adolf had escaped on a submarine.Then,when I was 11 and in 6th grade another event happened that further shaped my future frame of referrence when a friend made the mistake of wearing a bikers jacket to school,which wasnt the problem,but rather a despised emblem on the jacket - the Swastika!My friend had to hide this jacket away in his locker for the day,only to retrieve it at home-bell and to never bring it to school again.From this moment on my overall future had become politicized,in that whatever a disliked teacher hated was worthy of adoration,but do understand,I was very familiar with this symbol of National Socialism long before the most dishonorable Mr.Collins had made a mocking spectacle of my friend and a jacket which he had first appeared on the schoolyard wearing with a somewhat sense of pride.I chose to state all the before-mentioned in order to abate any possible protests that I wish to display Adolf in an unfriendly light;moreover,its because of an affinity with this man that I am assured I can speak openly and candidly on these matters without the slightest resolve ... respectfully, ... K.B. :monkee: :|

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Post by Eva » 26 Sep 2002 21:34

You have to remember, however- that she didn't start out as the mistress of Christ himself. It was his charm that won her heart, not his power. he was sending her flowers and visiting her at work as early as 1929, when he was no more than the NSDAP leader- Eva didn't even know who he was the first time she met him. Over time, due to his charm and romantic attentions, she fell deeply and desperately in love with him. By the time he became Chancellor in 1933, she was already his forever. She would have gladly remained with him had he never had any success in politics at all- she didn't even like politics.
She was where she was because she wanted to be there. He begged her to leave Berlin in the spring of 1945... several times in fact. Her response was " You should know that I'm staying here with you- I won't let you send me away." I think there's something to be said for a woman who would sooner die with than live without the man she loves.

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Post by Martin Månsson » 26 Sep 2002 21:37

Ine one major evening newspaper in Sweden we can today read that Hitler had a (female) mistress for several years. The very same magazine wrote some 6 months ago that Hitler was gay.......................
Interesting combination........don't you think ?

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Post by Eva » 27 Sep 2002 00:00

I've heard all of that kind of stuff before, and it just makes me ill. It's this aversion some people have to finding anything normal or human in the person of Adolf Hitler. They say he was gay- or into kinky sex, or mean to animals, even. It's unreal how peole refuse to assign any degree of humanity or normality to him. It's just impossible for some people to fathom that AH was just a man, who loved his girl and was fond of his dog and took care of his friends... it's really too bad. This world could use a lot more understanding.

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Post by KRO » 27 Sep 2002 21:26

It was reported that Adolfs photographer Hoffman persistently made efforts(eventually successful)to establish a romantic interest between Adolf and his young assistant Eva Braun.Early on it seems that Eva did take notice of this man she knew only as Wolf who paid her compliments and stirred certain feelings inside her due to his strange command of words and the emotions such words evoke,for it is highly logical to surmise that a man that was capable of seducing a nation could just as readily seduce a young impressionable girl.The point I meant to demonstrate with my previous post was the fact that power draws and enslaves,and this is true whether it be physical strength or the power of suggestion,influence,and irresistible eloquence of speech.I am somewhat convinced that this phenomenan which we humans experience and label as love is a horribly variated suspicion.Much too often love is nothing more than a psychological game which one person plays with the emotions of another.Love is also a weapon of the weak much the same as sympathy,a device one uses to gain the advantage in a situation they were meant to lose.Psychologists have suggested that men grow to search for their mother while the woman goes about trying desperately to find her father,in other words,were a person to find someone theyre quite fond of and would like to fulfill their every expectation ... they simply need inquire concerning the personality traits of that persons mother or father.Adolf appears to have liked two female types ... the motherly or either the young girly-girl type,and were one to make a composite of this ideal woman she would be a blend of nun and whore.Contrary to modern speculation Adolf Hitler wasnt from the planet Waliooka located in the far-off galaxy of Mootagunba sector 7,but was a 100% flesh and blood human being,and though the historical experts have stipulated that both Napoleon and Hitler were men who had only one testicle in an effort to dehumanize them,the fact remains that such theories and those that offer them are a complete waste of ones time.Then,there are the academic postulations that Adolf was a homosexual ... utter nonsense!Adolf(unlike modern leaders)took every precaution to guard his private life,he kept Eva hidden away from the German public,and keep in mind ... a woman named Eva,not a man named Erwin!There are sketches that survived showing Adolfs fondness for the nude female body,among the sketches to which I refer are especially those with Geli Raubal as the model.However,there is another sketch ... an earlier one which young Adolf drew in primary school of what some would think to be a man holding an ice-cream cone ... but the sketch was drawn before the invention of the cone and its position reveals that in reality it was a sketch of young Adolfs male teacher holding his penis.Adolf would later spend time in Vienna,in the highly concentrated gay quarters of the city,he was quite close to his one friend August Kubizek,and whether it was August or some other,I think one can safely accept that young Adolf had once experienced homosexual relations although it very likely was a brief affair.Adolf spied out a young girl named Stefanie whom he admired from a distance but for certain reasons he chose to stay at this distance,writing unsent letters,composing a love poem,and sending one unsigned note.Adolf told August of a fantasy in which he envisioned himself kidnapping and killing Stefanie and himself,and he would later talk of the filthy Jew who lurks in the dark spying on the young Aryan maiden in order to pounch and steal her away from her family and defile her with his polluted blood ... this was merely a continuation of Adolfs own deranged fantasy.As for Adolfs sexual tendencies in later life,its quite clear to anyone possessed of a like mind,he enjoyed sex with that one person whom he loved above all others ... himself.The largest sexual organ a human possesses is ones brain ... beauty,eroticism,love,hate,passion,aversion, ... everything arises and fades away in the mind.Its quite possible that Adolf considered himself unclean and this from the knowledge of his own homosexual experimentation.Some have asserted that Adolf was a sadist toward ditzy girly-girls whom he considered beneath him,and was a masochist towards those of higher social standing.or as in the case of Geli the serving girl,as his mother Klara had been a serving girl,and his grandmother Maria Anna- mother of Alois.Whether Adolf did submit to certain women as with the actress Renate Muller whom told her director after an evening with Adolf that Der Fuhrer and she undressed and he then laid himself on the floor and begged her to abuse him,or how that he had laid down and demanded that Geli squat above his head that he might inspect het at close quarters and also allowed women to urinate and deficate upon his person.I am of the opinion that the greater part of Adolfs bizzare fantasies remained in his head and served as fuel for masturbation.There is so much more that I could relate concerning Adolfs psychological condition and the intricacies of his sexual functions or dysfunctions but to be quite honest,at the end of the day he was no more disturbed than the person that lives across the street from you.I will close with this observation,Adolf and Eva needed one another,generally she longed for more attention than he oftentimes could give,and he struggled to find in her the mother with whom there had been an unbreakable bond ... a situation which repeats itself in the most normal of marriages.I am reminded at this time of the movie Excalibur in which Arthur tells Guinivere how that he longed for the time when all his earthly obligations would be at last fulfilled and once he owed no more to this existence he would come to her and they would at last share one another completely as man and wife ... so,I raise my glass and salute Adolf and Eva and smile at the thought that these two souls are at last united forever in a palatial suite overlooking the golden halls of Vahalla,and that in an eternal embrace they shall pass throughout endless generations experiencing nothing more than one anothers unbridled passion ... respectfully ... 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Post by Geli » 28 Sep 2002 02:49

"Geli the serving girl"

She was NOT a "serving girl." She studied medicine and music. She lived quite well with her uncle and had servants tending to her.

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Post by KRO » 28 Sep 2002 19:31

When Adolf moved to Obersalzberg,in a small hillside cottage named Wachenfeld - the maiden name of the builders wife,he gave his half-sister the housekeeper-cook position and she brought along her two daughters,Geli & Elriede.He would later move Geli into a Munich apartment and enroll her as a medical student at universersity(as a pretext) perhaps to avoid her mothers inteferrence in their relationship.Its probable that Adolf sought to follow his father and continue this cycle of uncle-neice intimacy ... and yes I said serving girl - Absolutely!At that time (and especially in Adolfs eyes)a young girl was seen as a reflection of her mother ... as mother as daughter.Adolf was of the old school that held women to be secondary(if not third)rate citizens,who,as children,should be seen but not heard.Women in Hitlers Germany were associated with the kitchen,children,and the church,and whatever other position they might acquire was generally assigned to them by a man,and such postions were generally confined to the bedroom.I consider it somewhat sacrilege to discuss Adolf Hitler in the spirit of ultra-modern liberalism,and likewise suggest that the idea of promoting feminism at the expence of National Socialism is itself blasphemy.It is self-evident within the minds of those possessed of that ancient spirit that any woman seeking to exert herself by taking over roles and positions Providence has established as the functioning of the dominant male,that such women are as unnatural as the weak,cowardly men who allow them such power.Look around,see all these women that are Mayors,Senators,Governors,etc, ... they are as unnatural as tits on a boar hog,and every true man upon witnessing these testosterone-driven lesbians cannot but to think of one thing ... to humble these incessant cows and chase them back into their barns before they destroy the garden mankind has toiled since the dawn of time in order to cultivate.It should come as no surprise that anyone who knowingly clings to a racist ideology likewise is given completely to a healthy disposition of sexism as well.So on that note I ll close my response with a reaffirmation that,regardless of anyones personal feelings,women were destined by Providence to be the submissive gender,and in light of this situation I can say ... Geli the serving girl ... respectfully ... K.B. ... ... ... ... P.S. as for this residence at Obersalzberg,Adolf first rented then purchased it,of which he later enlarged and renamed it Berghof(Mountain Manor) ...

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Post by Geli » 28 Sep 2002 22:27

Yeah, we read all those books, too.

There's quite a difference between cooking & cleaning for one's family and being a hired employee. As for the later years, after Geli was living with uncle...

Well, I think if AH heard you refer to her as a "serving girl," he'd have an issue with you! :mrgreen:

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Eva Hitler

Post by Punk_Waffen » 28 Sep 2002 23:19

first of all, i read that Hitlers real last name wasnt Hitler, but right now i cant find or remember what it was......And second of all, if people called her Eva Hitler, stupider people would probably be confused by it...maybe thats why, probably not

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Re: Eva Hitler

Post by Dan » 29 Sep 2002 00:12

Punk_Waffen wrote:first of all, i read that Hitlers real last name wasnt Hitler, but right now i cant find or remember what it was......And second of all, if people called her Eva Hitler, stupider people would probably be confused by it...maybe thats why, probably not
Hi Punk. Hitler's dad has his name officially changed to Hitler 20 years before Adolf's birth, so his name really was Hitler.

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Post by KRO » 29 Sep 2002 03:10

Adolfs father Alois was born the illegitimate son of Maria Anna Schicklgruber who had been employed at a Jewish home and it has been suggested that she became pregnant by a son of her Jewish employers.The main suspect was named as Johann Georg Hiedler to whose brother Johann Nepomuk Hiedler(a farmer from Spital)Maria Anna turned over young Alois.The name Hiedler has also been given as Huttler,and although it has been claimed that Alois was in reality the son of a Jew named Frankenberger,the fact remains that at age 39 Alois changes his name to Hiedler(Huttler)of which the transscriber mistakenly records it as Hitler ... a name destined for immortality. ... respectfully ... K.B.

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i need help on my research paper for school. I need to prove that if Hitler wouldnt have invaded Russia in the Winter, and didnt have a two-front war going, he would have won the war....send me a message or email me at [email protected]

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