Mothercross in Silver

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Mothercross in Silver

Post by Doom4 » 10 Mar 2006 13:08

Hi,
I have a Problem. I bought on auction a Mothercross in Silver, but I dont know if it ist original or not :-( Here are photos of this mothercross http://doom4.wz.cz/obr1.jpg http://doom4.wz.cz/obr2.jpg http://doom4.wz.cz/obr4.jpg and body of mother cross isnt maked from silver, it see you on the picture http://doom4.wz.cz/obr2.jpg :-/ and in agreement with I identify a original

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Post by Vadim » 10 Mar 2006 15:16

Looks fine to me.

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Post by Doom4 » 10 Mar 2006 17:07

Vadim wrote:Looks fine to me.
Yes it looks fine but ,mothercrosses has been made in silver or only silver color and rest metall ?

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Post by Vadim » 11 Mar 2006 04:55

Sorry, I missed that part of your question. They were silver-washed. Your piece is fine. Enjoy.

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Post by Vikki » 11 Mar 2006 08:27

Vadim's quite knowledgeable, and I agree with him.

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Post by Doom4 » 11 Mar 2006 14:35

Vadim wrote:Sorry, I missed that part of your question. They were silver-washed. Your piece is fine. Enjoy.
Oki doki , thanks .-)

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Post by Flinker » 27 Apr 2006 07:15

Do you have the presentation document that goes with the medal? That document will tell you whether it's first, second or third class? Third being for mothers having four to five children, second six to seven, first -- I think I have this right -- for women with eight plus children.

If you have the presentation document, you'll notice a Hitler signature on it. Many people get very excited about the possible worth of the document, because of the this; however, it is merely a facsimile signature and not the real thing.

Recently a bronze (third class) medal with documentation was on sale for $185. Yours should be worth more, because it is silver (maybe gold, I can't really discern from the picture) it will be worth more .... and, worth more, also, because it was the first year that the medal was granted -- 1938.

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Post by Vikki » 27 Apr 2006 16:04

Flinker wrote:.... and, worth more, also, because it was the first year that the medal was granted -- 1938.
The inscription is the date the award was instituted, 16 Dez. 1938, not the date the particular Cross was given. Except for a very few of the first Crosses which bore the inscription "DAS KIND ADELT DIE MUTTER, ADOLF HITLER", and a few apparently issued without an inscription, all of the Crosses were inscribed with "16 DEZEMBER 1938 ADOLF HITLER", regardless of the date of actual award to a particular woman.

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Post by Flinker » 27 Apr 2006 16:09

You're correct about that. Wasn't thinking correctly. That's another reason for having the award documentation to clarify dates, etc.

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Post by Vikki » 14 May 2006 04:54

Flinker wrote:You're correct about that. Wasn't thinking correctly. That's another reason for having the award documentation to clarify dates, etc.
Actually, the award documents clarify nothing, except the date of the award to the particular woman named on the document. And the woman named on the award document you hold in one hand, may not be the same woman who owned the Mother's Cross you hold in the other hand. Since, as with most badges and awards, Mother's Crosses aren't serial numbered, there's no way to tell whether a document and Cross actually belonged to the same recipient.

Even the award dates on documents are generic: the Crosses were awarded "en masse", on set dates. While the official day of the awards was supposed to be "Mothering Sunday" (the second Sunday in Mai), they were also awarded on Christmas Eve in some years (and on a few other additional dates of special awards). Further, some documents don’t bear the date of the award at all.

Flinker wrote:.... and, worth more, also, because it was the first year that the medal was granted -- 1938.
Although the award was instituted in 1938, the first Crosses weren’t actually presented until 21 Mai 39.

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Post by Flinker » 14 May 2006 07:28

Thanks you for the input. Turns out there's lots more to know about these awards than I ever guessed.

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Post by Vikki » 21 May 2006 19:15

There is a lot to know about them. And even people I know who've been collecting for many years are still learning!

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