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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 08 Aug 2018 21:27

Numbering seems to have gone awry in a couple of the posts above:
010/422 Mortar Battalion
010/423 Artillery Division
010/424 ATR Company
010/425 SMG Company
010/426 Recce Company

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 09 Aug 2018 00:03

010/428 Technical Supply Company
No real information on this from the Штат charts however we do have the name of each platoon from the 2 Tank Army Report diagram and we do have matching totals from the Album diagram with allowance for 6 men in the HQ. The reference to 4 men in the ПКТЧ (Company Command for Technical Units) refers to the command group within the 010/420 Brigade Command (line 76 to 82). We have the number of vehicles as 31 and their type. From this information and using the Artillery Repair units as a guide we can postulate the following estimate:
1. Command
Company Commander Senior lieutenant 1
Company Military Commissar Political Officer 1
Sergeant-major Sergeant-major 1
Clerk sergeant of administrative service 2
Motorcyclist Soldiers 1
Motorcycle 1
total 6
2. Platoon for repair of wheeled vehicles
Platoon commander senior sergeant of technical service 1
Deputy platoon commander Junior sergeant of technical service 1
Mechanic Soldiers 10
Storeman Corporal 1
Laboratory technician for fuel Corporal 1
Driver Soldiers 1
Workshop type B 1
total 15
3. Electro-technical Platoon
Platoon commander senior sergeant of technical service 1
Deputy platoon commander Junior sergeant of technical service 1
Electrician Soldiers 6
Driver Soldiers 1
Mobile charging station 1
total 9
4. Platoon for repair of artillery and rifle weapons
Commander of platoon senior sergeant of technical service 1
Senior gunsmith senior sergeant of technical service 1
Gunsmith sergeant of technical service 2
Gunsmith machine guns sergeant of technical service 1
Locksmith lance corporal 2
Driver – locksmith Junior sergeant of technical service 1
Workshop type A 1
total 8
5. Motor vehicle platoon
Platoon commander senior sergeant of administrative service 1
Driver Soldiers 23
Motor vehicle Cargo 1.5t for stores and material 23
Fuel detachment
Driver Soldiers 5
Petrol tanker ZIS-5 5
total 29
6. Economic detachment
Detachment commander – sergeant-major
Deputy detachment commander sergeant of administrative service 1
Storekeeper junior sergeant of administrative service 1
Senior Cook sergeant of administrative service 1
Cook Soldiers 2
Driver Soldiers 1
Motor vehicle Cargo 2.5t 1
Motor trailer kitchen 1

total 6


Total for company 73
I am open to any suggestions/corrections

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 09 Aug 2018 11:00

Item ШТАТ № 010/429 (estimated)
March 1943
Engineer Mine Company of a Motor Rifle Brigade

Source
Structure Diagram 2 Tank Army
Numbers Album 54, German report, Zaloga & Ness

1. Organisation
1. Command
2. Mine-sapper platoon
3. Sapper platoon
4. Transport platoon
5. Workshop & depot


2. Personnel
Command personnel
Officers 10
Warrant Officers 23
Soldiers 90
total 123
3. Transport
Motor Transport
Motor vehicle cargo 1.5t 6

vehicle total 6

Company of Engineer-Mine Company of a Motor Rifle Brigade (estimated)

1. Command
Company commander Captain 1
Commissar Political Officer 1
Deputy Commander Lieutenant 1
Sergeant Major Sergeant-major 1
Clerk Junior sergeant of administrative service 1
total 5
2. Mine-Sapper Platoon
In company – 3
Commander Lieutenant 1
Deputy Commander Junior lieutenant 1
Section commander sergeant 3
Deputy section commander Soldiers 3
Mine clearing sappers Soldiers 18

total 26
total for three platoons 78
3. Sapper Platoon
In company – 1 as per Sapper Platoon in 010/370 Admin Company
Commander Lieutenant 1
Section commander sergeant 3
Sapper Soldiers 19
total 23
4. Transport platoon
Commander sergeant 1
Storekeeper Junior sergeant 4
Drivers Soldiers 6
Motor vehicle cargo 1.5t for engineer stores 4
Motor vehicle cargo 1.5t for rations 2
total 10
5. Workshop depot
Section commander sergeant 1
Storekeeper Junior sergeant of administrative service 2
Locksmith junior sergeant of technical service 2
Locksmith Soldiers 1
Senior Clerk Junior sergeant of administrative service 1
Clerk Soldiers
total 7

Total for company 123

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 09 Aug 2018 16:55

ШТАТ № 010/431
March 1943
Medical Sanitary Platoon of a Motor Rifle Brigade

1. Organisation
1. Detachment for reception-sorting-evacuation
2. Surgical detachment
3. Evacuation-transport detachment
4.Economic detachment

2. Personnel
Command personnel
Officers 9
Warrant Officers 5
Soldiers 19
total 33
3. Material items and Transport
Motor Transport
Motor vehicle cargo 1.5t 2
Motor vehicle Ambulance 3


Medical-sanitary platoon of a Motor Rifle Brigade (estimated)
1.Detachment for reception-sorting-evacuation
Platoon commander Lieutenant 1
Medical Officers Military doctor 2
Medic Soldiers 3
total 6

2. Surgical detachment
Medical Officers Military doctor 5
Medical Assistants Junior Sergeant of medical service 5
Medics Soldiers 5
* unit based on similar one in Rifle Division 04/550 but this has 10 medics
total 15

3. Evacuation-transport detachment
Detachment commander Junior Lieutenant 1
Drivers Soldiers 3
Medics Soldiers 6
Ambulance GAZ-AA 3
* again based on 04/550 ambulance unit
total 10

4.Economic detachment
Drivers Soldiers 2
Motor vehicle cargo 1.5t with rations and medical supplies 2
total 2

Total for platoon 33

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 09 Aug 2018 17:13

ШТАТ № 010/451
March 1943
Company of Anti-aircraft machine guns of a Motor Rifle Brigade (estimate)
source: Album 54 diagram for numbers and sub-units, Zaloga & Ness for breakdown of numbers

1. Organisation
1. Command
2. Platoon of AA machine guns

2. Personnel
Command personnel
Officers 6 (two deleted in Aug 1943)
Warrant Officers 23
Soldiers 21
total 50
3. Transport
Motor Transport
Motor vehicle cargo 1.5t 12
AA machine gun DshK 12.7mm 9
vehicle total 12


Company of Technical Supply of a Motor Rifle Brigade (estimated)

1. Command
Company commander Captain 1
Military Commissar Political Officer 1 deleted in Aug 1943
Assistant Commander Senior lieutenant 1 deleted in Aug 1943
Sergeant-major Sergeant-major 1
Clerk Sergeant 1
total 5

2. Platoon of AA machine guns
in company – 3
Commander Lieutenant 1
Assistant Commander Senior sergeant 1
Gunner Sergeant 6
Number Soldiers 3
Drivers Soldiers 4
AA machine gun DshK 12.7mm 3
Motor vehicle cargo 1.5t for machine guns 3
Motor vehicle for munitions and personnel 1
total 15

total for company 50

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 09 Aug 2018 18:39

ШТАТ № 010/430
March 1943
Motor Transport Company

Source
Structure Diagram from 2 Tank Army
Numbers Album 54,
Numbers German intelligence report https://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/CGSC/CARL/ ... 44RBXA.PDF
Art's original post in this thread

1. Organisation
1. Command
2. Motor transport platoon
3. Detachment for supply


2. Personnel
Command personnel
Officers 7
Warrant Officers 17
Soldiers 86
total 110

3. Transport
Motor Transport
Motor vehicle cargo 1.5t 92
Motor vehicle cargo 2.5t 2
Mobile Workshop type A 1
Motorcycle with sidecar 1
Motor trailer kitchen 1
vehicle total 95


Motor transport company of a Motor Rifle Brigade (estimated)

1. Command
Company commander Captain 1
Deputy company commander Senior lieutenant 1
Motorcyclist Soldiers 2
motorcycle with sidecar 1
total 4

2.Motor transport platoon
in company – 4
Platoon commander Lieutenant 1
Senior drivers Junior sergeant 4
Drivers Soldiers 19
Motor vehicle cargo 1.5t 23
total 24
total for 4 platoons 96

3. Detachment for supply
Detachment commander Lieutenant 1
Mechanic Soldiers 3
Storeman Corporal 1
Senior Cook Sergeant 1
Cook Soldiers 1
Driver Soldiers 3
Motor vehicle cargo 2.5t for kitchen and rations 1
Motor vehicle cargo 2.5t for spares 1
Mobile Workshop type A 1
Motor trailer kitchen 1
total 10

total for company 110

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 10 Aug 2018 08:12

That is the completed estimate of the 010/420 Motor Rifle Brigade and I will post both this and the 010/370 Motor Rifle Bde updated translation so that you can have a look yourselves.
The final piece of the jigsaw is the two variants for the main 1943 Tank Regiment 010/414 which we have established as:

010/414 early version:
Personnel 524
Officers 101
NCO 211
OR 212

010/414 late version:
Personnel 474
Officers 89
NCO 194
OR 191

When faced by MECH Brigades with strange looking totals we can use these variants to get back to the standard Motor Rifle Brigade variants (whether they have the full sized or smaller Admin Company, AA MG Company, etc) so that we can understand where those figures come from.

For instance in the Album 50 Mech Bde chart we have totals of:
Personnel 3686
Officers 384
NCO 1210
OR 2092

which gives us the Motor Rifle Bde total if we deduct the Tank Regt 010/414 late (474 total)
Total 3212
Officers 295
NCO 1016
OR 1901
which is the total that we see my table below as being the most common figure (in yellow) and one that we can derive from the Shtat work above. We know that this is correct because this Tank Regt variant is shown on the diagram.

(see here:Image

However if instead we use the other Tank Regt figure by mistake what we get is

010/420 Motor Rifle Bde with 010/414 early (525 total) deducted
Total 3164
Officers 283
NCO 999
OR 1880

This matches the rather strange low total shown in the 2 Tank Army Report Diagram (top line in the table above) which I cannot reproduce from any combination of the elements of 010/420 - I simply cannot get that low and show all the units that it has in the diagram. This could be an error on the part of who ever drew up the table using the wrong 010/414 variant on a Mech Bde total to get an incorrect Motor Rifle Bde total?

Another example from the table is the 1 Mech Bde total of August 1943 of 3712. This rather odd figure is explained if we use the early 010/414 (525 total) Tank Regiment and the late 010/420 Motor Rifle Bde (649 Rifle Bn) with a total of 3197.

Tank Regt 010/414 (late) 525
Mech Bde 010/420 (late) 3197
total 3722 which is only 10 men adrift from the 1 Mech Corps total.

Using the two variants of 010/414 Tank Regt with the two variants of 010/420 Motor Rifle Bde explains almost all the Mech Bde totals seen in Pamyat Naroda.

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 24 Aug 2018 16:07

With a reasonable idea of the two types of Mech Bde we can now have another go at the Mech Corps.
My starting point are the Штат numbers and personnel numbers given in the "Report on the development of Armoured and Mechanised troops during the Great Patriotic War" which give numbers for Sept 1942, January 1943, 1944, 1945 see:.
viewtopic.php?p=2132083#p2132083

Starting with January 1944 I then started to fill in the detail for types of personnel, weapons, vehicles, armoured vehicles, etc from the following sources:
1) https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=110326229 (dated May 1944)
2) Album 50 and 54 using the totals in the boxes at the bottom
3) Our Mech Bde work
4) For Rear units, Доклад о материально-технической обеспеченности, укомплектованности и боевом составе войск 2 ТА [Report on the material-technical supply, manning and combat strength of troops 2 Tank Army] https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=135101751 which is September 1944

010/418 Mechanised Corps January 1944
Mech Corps Jan 44.jpg
I am missing two units, the 010/418 command (the Sept 44 2TA version is quite different) and the Communications Battalion 010/561 which again has quite different totals and a Штат 010/562. Does anyone have a record of these?
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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Nakhodchanin » 08 Sep 2018 06:00

I believe this original document place here:
Штат роты ПТР МСБР № 010-375 от 31.III.1942 стр.1.jpg
Штат роты ПТР МСБР № 010-375 от 31.III.1942 стр.2.jpg
Штат роты ПТР МСБР № 010-375 от 31.III.1942 стр.3.jpg
Shtat № 010/375 dated 31 March 1942.

Anti-tank rifle company of motorized rifle brigade.

I.Organization.

1.Command.
2.Anti-tank Rifle platoon (3 in Company).
3.Transport section.

II.Personnel.

Command staff - 5
Leading staff - 1
Junior leading staff - 24
Enlisted personnel - 31
Total: 61

III.Equipment and transport.

Anti-tank rifles- 18
Trucks 1,5-ton – 4

Detailed organization:

I.Command

Company commander - Captain/Senior lieutenant (Pistol)
Political leader - Senior politleader/Politleader (Pistol)
Deputy Company commander - Senior lieutenant (Pistol)
Company sergeant - Sergeant-major (Carbine)
Medical instructor - Medical sergeant-major (-)

II.Anti-tank Rifle platoon (3 in Company)

Platoon commander - Lieutenant (Pistol)
Deputy platoon commander - Senior sergeant (Rifle)
3 Anti-tank Rifle squads, each:
Squad leader - Sergeant (Rifle)
Deputy squad leader-gun layer - Junior sergeant (-) with Anti-tank Rifle
Senior gun layer - Corporal (-) with Anti-tank Rifle
2 Numbers - 2 Red Army men (2 Rifle)
2 Anti-tank Rifles

III.Transport section

Section commander - Sergeant (Rifle)
4 Drivers - 4 Red Army men (4 Carbine)
4 Trucks 1,5-ton for personnel

NOTE: Company has the same levels of allowances with SMG Company.
found on pamyat-naroda.ru
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=454857759

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Nakhodchanin » 10 Sep 2018 14:58

I apologize if this is a repetition, by this document I would like to supplement my previous post and share information with the community:
Директива Ставки ВГК №46188 от 24.VI.1943.pdf


DIRECTIVE STAVKI VGK № 46188 COMMANDERS OF TROOPS OF FRONTS AND
MILITARY DISTRICTS ON ARMING WITH SUB-MACHINE GUNS PPSH OFFICIALS
AND UNITS OF TANK AND MECHANIZED CORPS

Copies: The Commander of armored and mechanized forces of the Red Army,
the Chief of Artillery of the Red Army

24 june 1943 г. 23 h 40 min

In order to strengthen firepower of tank and mechanized corps
o r d e r:
1. Additionally arm sub-machine guns (PPSH) leading staff and
the following units in each tank and mechanized corps:
а) The commander of a rifle company, the sergeant-major, completely one of rifle
platoons of each motorized rifle company, the commander of machine-gun platoon and squads
leaders of machine-gun platoon of a rifle company;
b) in machine-gun companies of motorized rifle battalions — the commander of company, com¬-
manders of platoons and nine men of gun layer's assistants;
c) in anti-tank rifle company of motorized rifle battalion — the commander of company;
d) in anti-tank battery of motorized rifle battalion — the commander of battery and com¬-
manders of platoons;
e) in mortar batteries of motorized rifle battalions — the commander of battery
and commanders of platoons;
f) in engineer-mine companies of motorized rifle and mechanized brigades —
forty men sappers;
g) in sapper platoons of tank regiments of mechanized brigades — of all
squads leaders and sappers;
h) in mortar battalions of motorized rifle and mechanized brigades —
the whole middle command staff;
i) in separate anti-tank rifle companies of motorized rifle and mechanized brigades — the whole middle command
staff;
j) in reconnaissance companies of motorized rifle and mechanized brigades — the whole middle
command staff, and also commanders of armored cars.
2. The chief of the General staff together with chief of GAU to determine
the terms and procedure for ensuring sub-machine guns (PPSH) of all tank and mechani¬
zed corps.

I. STALIN

A. VASILEVSKII
This document was published in the collection of documents:
"Русский Архив: Великая Отечественная: Ставка ВГК. Документы и материалы." - М.: ТЕРРА, 1996-1999.
Digital edition in formats DJVU+OCR and DOC+ is here (freely available): http://militera.lib.ru/docs/da/stavka_vgk/index.html

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Eugen Pinak » 10 Sep 2018 20:47

Off-topic, but it's worth mentioning, that one platoon in rifle company was re-armed with SMGs not just in tank or mechanized formations - all infantry formations were rearmed like this.

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Re: Mechanised Corps 2nd Generation

Post by Gary Kennedy » 11 Sep 2018 19:39

Thanks for the detail on the SMG issue for mechanised units. I've seen something similar for the December 1942 Rifle Regiment but not for the Mech Brigade. I'm still hoping the whole set of Shtat for the 1943 Brigade will turn up!

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