Tank Corps shtat 010/418 and Tank Brigades

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Re: Tank Corps shtat 010/418 and Tank Brigades

Post by Nakhodchanin » 13 Aug 2020 09:48

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Re: Tank Corps shtat 010/418 and Tank Brigades

Post by Nakhodchanin » 15 Aug 2020 10:18

Hello, all! The present post is not a continuation of the previous material, but a review supplement to it. It is a list of tank brigades KV, with indication of Tank Corps, as part in which were one or the other heavy tank brigade, on summer 1942. This list is based on data of the site tankfront.ru In this post: viewtopic.php?p=2285191#p2285191, I pointed out some nuances of the location of information on this topic, on the example of data's 148th TankBde of 2nd TC. I sorted out with these inevitable cost from structuring arrays of repetitive data - specially for our English-language Comrades:
3rd grd.TBde 7th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/gvtbr03.html
4th grd.TBde 24th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/gvtbr04.html#2ref
22nd TBde 6th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr022.html
23rd TBde 9th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr023.html#2ref
24th TBde 5th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr024.html
25th TBde 8th TC ... [https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=259893028] Document No.2
45th TBde 4th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr045.html#2ref and http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tk/tk04.html#3ref
50th TBde 3rd TC ... [https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=259892841] Document No.1
53rd TBde 11th TC ... [https://pamyat-naroda.ru/documents/view/?id=258808649] Document No.3
65th TBde 13th/23rd TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr065.html#3ref - only according to numerical table of TBde
66th TBde 17th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr066.html#3ref
89th TBde 1st TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr089.html#2ref
97th TBde 12th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr097.html#2ref
??? 103rd TBde 3rd TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tk/tk03.html#3ref
105th TBde 15th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr105.html#2ref
107th TBde 16th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr107.html
??? 109th TBde 16th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr109.html#2ref
133rd TBde 22nd TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr133.html
148th TBde 2nd TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tk/tk02.html#3ref
158th TBde 13th/22nd TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr158.html#2ref - http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tk/tk13.html#3ref
178th TBde 10th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tk/tk10.html#3ref
180th TBde 18th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr180.html#3ref
216th TBde 26th TC http://tankfront.ru/ussr/tbr/tbr216.html
A little explanation on the links:
1.) The links on tankfront.ru
a.) if the link points to the entire page of TankBde, it means that the indications are present in more than one section,
these are usually sections: II.Formation and organisation III.Numerical and combat composition;
b.) link with indication to a specific section on the page of TankBde or TC, the latter case occurs, when there are no indications on the page of the brigade itself;
2.) The links on pamyat-naroda.ru, I put it in square brackets to visually separate it from the links on tankfront.ru
About punctuation marks used:
1.) an ellipsis means that there are no any indications;
2.) a triple question mark means, that according to the documents, I found on pamyat-naroda.ru, information of tankfront.ru not confirmed. About relationship inside "pairs" of 50th and 103th tank brigades of 3rd TC, and also between 107th and 109th from 16th TC - at the very starting, I already spoke about the reasons for such misprints. I did indication for 25th, 50th and 53rd tank brigades one document each, I'll post them below. On all the others also have confirming data, moreover, the information in the documents often intersects. I specifically did not make this list in the form of a document(MS Office or PDF) with subsequent transferred into a graphic file-image(jpeg, bmp, etc.), so that everyone will to can add and correct it! Just, please, do not forget to specify links!
No.1''Reference on staffing and losses of 3rd TC, 68th sep.TBde, 6th grd.sep.TBde on August 13, 1942''.jpg
No.2''Reference on condition of material part of 8th TC on August 23, 1942''.jpg
No.3''Reference on availability and techn.condition of combat material part on Bryansk Front of September 20, 1942''.jpg
This document is notable for the fact that it contains an example of staffing tank set for tank corps, in the quantity of 159 tanks. I'm talking about data on the 26th tank corps. It looks like this: two tank brigades of Shtat No.010/270 - 010/277, one tank brigade KV of Shtat No.010/345, 010/347 - 010/352, 010/393 and HQ Company of TC Shtat No.010/369. In the numbers: 53 x 2 + 51 + 2 = 159.

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Re: Tank Corps shtat 010/418 and Tank Brigades

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 18 Aug 2020 08:23

We need to be wary of relying too much on tankfront.ru. I did find when looking at Mechanised Corps and brigades that there were differences between tankfront.ru and when looking at original documents especially with regard to deployment of Corps to Fronts, Armies, etc. I think that we can be more confident in the pages where tankfront.ru states the source, so in case of 22 Tank Brigade:

Танковые бригады. Боевой состав и боевая деятельность за 1941-1945 гг. в Великой Отечественной войне. Часть II (с 21 тбр по 40 тбр включительно)

which I have and confirms what the site says. There is not a lot of establishment detail in these documents but there is some indications in a similar listing of brigades "Tank brigades" (fond 38 opus 11373 delo 160) which tells us that 22 Tank Brigade changed to 010/500-506 on 30.11.1943 and was changed into 40 Guards Tank Brigade 30.10.43 and was part of (6 crossed out) 11 Guards Tank Corps.

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