attacks on the volga-shipping 1942 -1942

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attacks on the volga-shipping 1942 -1942

Post by Hamburg44 » 10 Feb 2022 16:31

recenly I red a book of a german pilot-officer, who was often involved in bombing and mining shipping targets on the volga in 1942 and 1943.

He claimed some hits on oil-barges.

Did these attacks really have some success on the volga shipping and was therefore any trouble for supplying RKKA forces?

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Re: attacks on the volga-shipping 1942 -1942

Post by Art » 12 Feb 2022 18:16

Hamburg44 wrote:
10 Feb 2022 16:31
Did these attacks really have some success on the volga shipping
Yes, they had:
"Transport fleet on the Volga River during the Stalingrad defense operation lost 126 vessels (of them 41 oil tankers) with a net displacement of 247 645 tons. Characteristically, the bulk of these losses (71 vessels) happened during the first days of intensive hostile aerial bombardement on 25 July - 1 August [1942], when not all ships were escorted by vessels of the [Volga] Flotilla, and on 23 August when the enemy launched massed aerial attacks on Stalingrad."

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Re: attacks on the volga-shipping 1942 -1942

Post by Hamburg44 » 13 Feb 2022 19:15

Hi Art,

much thanks for your quick response, but perhaps you made a decimal mistake, 247.645 tons netdisplacement means about 2.000 tons every vessel.

That´s very much tonnage for river-vessels and achieves in a short period of time nearly 50% of all soviet high-sea-merchant-fleet losses of ww2.

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Re: attacks on the volga-shipping 1942 -1942

Post by Art » 14 Feb 2022 06:34

But these are exact numbers from the book ("Volga Flotilla in the Great Patriotic War").
Net displacement of Soviet river barges and other towed vessels prior to the war was about 6 million tons. It guess, the bulk of them operated in the Volga-Caspian region. The number of losses includes these vessels.

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Re: attacks on the volga-shipping 1942 -1942

Post by Hamburg44 » 14 Feb 2022 21:12

Thanks a lot,

is this book online available?

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Re: attacks on the volga-shipping 1942 -1942

Post by Hamburg44 » 22 Feb 2022 15:33

thanks,
very interesting material,
Is a list or a book with names and dates of the sunken ships aavilable?

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Re: attacks on the volga-shipping 1942 -1942

Post by lupodimare89 » 18 Jun 2022 06:52

Greetings, i am quite interested to a related subject: during your reading/researching you come across mentions of German aircrafts shot down by riverine craft air-defense?

The book mentioned make some claims for 27/29 August and then later August/November 1942 but i've not yet checked the (partial) database of Luftwaffe losses.

I only know of a couple of significant episodes (a He-111 missing on Caspian Sea on 31/Oct/42) and a more "famous" case on 20 June 1943 (another He-111 with crew captured)

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Re: attacks on the volga-shipping 1942 -1942

Post by Hamburg44 » 23 Jun 2022 18:51

Hi Lupo,

have some losses of KG 55
30.07. 42 He 111 FF Uffz Walter John and 4 crew +

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Re: attacks on the volga-shipping 1942 -1942

Post by Hamburg44 » 28 Jun 2022 16:56

and some more:

He 111 WN 7429, H 6 , 3.KG 100 caspian sea, 5 crew missing

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Re: attacks on the volga-shipping 1942 -1942

Post by Hamburg44 » 28 Jun 2022 16:57

date 21.10.42

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Post by Hamburg44 » 28 Jun 2022 16:59

perhaps Igor knows some more losses of german aircrafts lost and perhaps some more ships sunk

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Re: attacks on the volga-shipping 1942 -1942

Post by lupodimare89 » 03 Jul 2022 08:37

Thanks! Are you sure of 7429 being on 21.10? Because i have noted as missing between 31.Oct/1 Nov.
(from airwar.ru the only online database of Luftwaffe losses i found, sadly uncomplete http://www.airwar.ru/history/av2ww/axis ... 10-42.html )
That loss if occurred betwen Oct/Nov could match with a claim of sub.chaser Minyor

Also do you have more info of:
30.07. 42 He 111 FF Uffz Walter John and 4 crew +
Maybe serial number? I failed to find the pilot's name online,
Closest interesting match i foud was a couple of claims by BK-22 a gunboat of 1124type but with altered aa armamant (technically on 27 and 29.07)

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