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Re: The official AHF Soviet Union 1917-1945 quiz thread

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Post by John Hilly » 11 Feb 2011, 13:55

This is tough one. Maybe a hint...? :roll:

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Post by amateur » 13 Feb 2011, 14:18

Hint1: The correspondents between Stalin and Churchill is available on the internet :wink:


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Re: The official AHF Soviet Union 1917-1945 quiz thread

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Post by amateur » 14 Feb 2011, 20:54

Hint no 2: The interesting part in Stalin's response was about suggestion about awaiting the armistice.
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Re: The official AHF Soviet Union 1917-1945 quiz thread

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Post by John Hilly » 18 Feb 2011, 19:24

PERSONAL AND SECRET
FROM PREMIER J. V. STALIN
TO THE PRIME MINISTER, Mr W. CHURCHILL

You say in your message of March 7 that the problem of the
Soviet-Polish frontier will have to be put off till the armistice
conference is convened. I think there is a misunderstanding
here. The Soviet Union is not waging nor does it intend to wage
war against Poland. It has no conflict with the Polish people
and considers itself an ally of Poland and the Polish people.
That is why it is shedding its blood to free Poland from Ger217
man oppression. It would be strange, therefore, to speak of an
armistice between the U.S.S.R. and Poland. But the Soviet
Union is in conflict with the Polish émigré Government, which
does not represent the interests of the Polish people or express
their aspirations. It would be stranger still to identify Poland
with the Polish émigré Government in London, a government
isolated from Poland. I even find it hard to tell the difference
between Poland’s émigré Government and the Yugoslav émigré
Government, which is akin to it, or between certain generals
of the Polish émigré Government and the Serb General
Mihajlović.
In your message of March 21 you tell me of your intention
to make a statement in the House of Commons to the effect
that all territorial questions must await the armistice or peace
conferences of the victorious Powers and that in the meantime
you cannot recognise any forcible transferences of territory. As
I see it you make the Soviet Union appear as being hostile to
Poland, and virtually deny the liberation nature of the war
waged by the Soviet Union against German aggression. That
is tantamount to attributing to the Soviet Union something
which is non-existent, and, thereby, discrediting it. I have no
doubt that the peoples of the Soviet Union and world public
opinion will evaluate your statement as a gratuitous insult to
the Soviet Union.
To be sure you are free to make any statement you like in
the House of Commons—that is your business. But should you
make a statement of this nature I shall consider that you have
committed an unjust and unfriendly act in relation to the
Soviet Union.
In your message you express the hope that the breakdown
over the Polish question will not affect our cooperation in other
spheres. As far as I am concerned, I have been, and still am,
for cooperation. But I fear that the method of intimidation and
defamation, if continued, will not benefit our cooperation.
March 23, 1944

http://www.marx2mao.com/Stalin/WWIICv1wm.pdf in pages 216-217. 8-)
Do you mean this correspondence?

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Re: The official AHF Soviet Union 1917-1945 quiz thread

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Post by amateur » 18 Feb 2011, 20:51

Yes! I found the "misunderstanding" part quite amusing.

Your turn Juha-Pekka!

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Re: The official AHF Soviet Union 1917-1945 quiz thread

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Post by John Hilly » 19 Feb 2011, 13:23

Thanks, "Amateur", which you obviously aren't! :D

The question:
A Soviet general commanded three front-line Fronts, plus one Reserve Front, and a Military District during one year. Who???

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Re: The official AHF Soviet Union 1917-1945 quiz thread

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Post by Eiserner_Gustav » 21 Feb 2011, 14:57

Georgy K. Zhukov

Kiev Military District - 1940—1941 ( He led the Southern Front, established on basis of Kiev Special Military District)
Reserve Front - July 1941 - September 1941
Leningrad Front - September — October 1941
Western Front - since 12 October 1941
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Post by John Hilly » 22 Feb 2011, 10:41

Eiserner_Gustav wrote:Georgy K. Zhukov
One Front missing, so he wasn't Zhukov... :)
The calender year in question, wasn't 1941.

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Re: The official AHF Soviet Union 1917-1945 quiz thread

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Post by georgi23 » 22 Feb 2011, 13:57

As far as the Kiev Military district is concerned, certainly, - Georgiy Zhukov
Kiev Military District:
1938 - 1940 - Timoshenko
1940-1941 - G. Zhukov
1941- M.Kirponos
1941 - V.Yakovlev

On the 9th August the KMD had been relocated (Town of Konotop).
On 19th September 1941 Nazis had occupied Kiev.

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Re: The official AHF Soviet Union 1917-1945 quiz thread

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Post by John Hilly » 22 Feb 2011, 17:54

John Hilly wrote:three front-line Fronts, plus one Reserve Front, and a Military District during one year. Who??
My question makes four Fronts and one Military District in one calender year, which wasn't 1941.
So I don't accept Zhukov.

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Re: The official AHF Soviet Union 1917-1945 quiz thread

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Post by John Hilly » 23 Feb 2011, 14:08

Our General was very busy in the year in question.
He started the year as a CO of an Army. Then he commanded a special unit, before the above mentioned commands! 8-)

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Post by John Hilly » 24 Feb 2011, 19:00

...And for a while, he was even a Deputy Front Commander. All this in one calender year! 8-)

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Re: The official AHF Soviet Union 1917-1945 quiz thread

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Post by Eiserner_Gustav » 25 Feb 2011, 16:48

Max A. Reuter
Bryansk Front (second form) - September 27, 1942 - March 12, 1943
Reserve Front - March 12, 1943 - March 28, 1943
Kursk Front - 23 - 27 March 1943
Orel Front 27 - March 28, 1943
Bryansk Front (third form) - March 28 - June 5, 1943

Deputy Commander of the Voronezh Front - August - September 1943
South-Ural Military District - September 1943 - July 1945
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Re: The official AHF Soviet Union 1917-1945 quiz thread

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Post by amateur » 25 Feb 2011, 21:06

Problably the right answer has already been given. I just wanted to make a comment that another general almost fits the criteria as well:

Pavel Artemeevich Artemev
1940 - 1941Commanding Officer 1st NKVD Special Division
1941 Head of Directorate of Operative Troops, People's Commissariat of Internal Affairs NKVD
1941 Deputy Commander in Chief Western Front
1941 - 1947Commander in Chief Moscow Military District
1941 Commander in Chief Moscow Defence Front Line
1941 Commander in Chief Moscow Reserve Front
1941 - 1943Commander in Chief Moscow Defence Zone

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Re: The official AHF Soviet Union 1917-1945 quiz thread

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Post by John Hilly » 26 Feb 2011, 10:58

Eiserner_Gustav wrote:Max A. Reuter
A very good guess, but not good enough. Sorry! :(
amateur wrote: Pavel Artemeevich Artemev
I already excluded year 1941 in one hint!

Let's sum up what we have, in right order of the commands:

Commanding Officer of an Army, beginning the year in question,
Commanding Officer of a Large special formation,
Deputy Commander in Chief of a Front,
Commander in Chief of a Reserve Front,
Commander in Chief of a Military District,
Commander in Chief of a Front,
Commander in Chief of a Front,
Commander in Chief of a Front and the year turns to the next one...

Quite a Job, isn't it! 8-)

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