Victories and losses of Soviet submarines during WWII

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Re: Victories and losses of Soviet submarines during WWII

Post by Puska 35.M » 17 Jan 2010 16:39

BIGpanzer wrote:Soviets achieved rate 1.89 [191 sank ships per 101 lost submarines]. British submarines achieved the ratio 9.29 [632 sank ships per 68 lost submarines], USN submarines achived fantastic ratio 24.15 as they performed in much more favourable conditions in comparison with other navies [1280 sank ships per 53 lost submarines].
Axis forces - Italian submarines had the ratio 1.1; Germans had the ratio 2.69 [2973 sank ships(!) per 1060 lost submarines including sank under capitulation]; Japanese - 1.73.
Quoting the original poster, I have some interesting statistics regarding Italian and German Submarine statistics in the Atlantic Ocean. On the basis of tonnage sunk per submarine, the 30 Italian submarines in the Atlantic each accounted for an average of 28,000 tons of enemy shipping and the 800 U-Boats (based on the number employed in the same Atlantic waters (Mid-Southern Atlantic)) bagged 16,400 tons each.

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Re: Victories and losses of Soviet submarines during WWII

Post by igorr » 28 Jan 2010 02:59

I think you veeeeery exaggerate italian successes. Regia Marina has 31 subs in Atlantic, and they sunk 101 ship (543083 grt), which far from 28.000 per sub. Average tonnage is 17519 grt (and 3.26 ships). This cost italians 16 subs.
Besides, only 4 subs has no success.

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Re: Victories and losses of Soviet submarines during WWII

Post by Juha Tompuri » 06 Feb 2010 19:09

The benefits of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact:
Most topic related forms of the co-operation I guess were the Basis Nord http://www.oilru.com/or/16/204/
and the Soviet-German attempts to form a supply organisation from converted German merchant ships for Soviet subs operating at the Gulf of Bothnia.
http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic. ... t#p1043845
The Embassy in the Soviet Union to the Foreign Ministry
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most urgent Moscow, December 9, 1939 - 9:40 p.m.
No. 905 of December Received December 10 - 2:00 a.m.
Only for the State Secretary personally.
For the High Command of the Navy and the Wehrmacht.
The Soviet Naval Committee [Sowjet-Marineausschuss] informs us in strict confidence that a submarine blockade against Finland is planned in the Gulf of Bothnia. The Chief of the Naval Staff inquires whether German steamers on the regular route to northern Sweden could take fuel and food for secret delivery at sea to Soviet submarines there. The quantities delivered would be returned in kind wherever we wished, for example, in any Soviet port where our naval forces had similar needs. The Russians will communicate the details of their wishes, the place of contact, etc., as soon as Germany has indicated her agreement in principle. The Russians ask for utmost speed, since they are planning on the first deliveries at sea in just three or four days. I strongly recommend taking into consideration compliance with the Russian request because, first, such assistance would have little effect on the Finnish position and be of minor consequence for the outcome of the conflict ; second, because return deliveries, for example in the Far East, would offer great possibilities for naval operations; and third, because the German Naval authorities on the strength of such assistance can make demands on the Soviet Navy in the future. 448 G Kdos.

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Sub M-95 wreck found

Post by Juha Tompuri » 09 May 2015 20:35

Juha Tompuri wrote:
BIGpanzer wrote:the reason of loss of M-95 could be not Finnish aircraft but also sea mine [then Finnish aircraft bombed oil spot from exploded submarine]
Actually it was the other way.
Accordng to Suomen Ilmavoimien Historia vol.24, a 200kg depth charge (set to explode at 20m) was dropped 20m behind the sub periscope. Then came the oil.
according to a online translation wrote:Russian divers from the expedition "Bow ships of the Great Victory," found at the bottom of the Gulf of Finland in 1942, the dead Soviet submarine M-95, according to the expedition leader, Konstantin Bogdanov.




"We found in the Gulf, directly opposite the island of Hogland, the place of death of the submarine I-95. Her body lies at a depth of about 65 meters. In the perfect last dive series divers were able to establish that the boat was killed by a landmine explosion. All crew members were killed, "- said the RIA "Novosti" Bogdanov.

The explosion as it turned out, participants of the expedition occurred in the bow of the M-95. Is submerged boat has managed to "crawl" a few tens of meters and lay on the ground. After that, the area where she was, bombed the enemy.
"Conning-tower hatch is closed. The stern hatch ajar, but crushed a railing bent - likely the crew members remained in the feed compartment and tried to leave, but could not open it. According to the results of the expedition will be drawn up a report which we will give to the Ministry of Defence to this point was included in the list of victims boats. I think it will announce a mass grave, "- said Bogdanov.

He noted that the expedition has already harvested a plaque with a list of 22 names of crew members.

Last week it became known that the Russian submariners during the expedition in the Gulf intend to establish a place of death in 1942, the Soviet submarine M-95 and two ships of the Soviet Navy.

The submarine M-95 went on complex combat mission to infiltrate the area west of Hogland June 11, 1942. The fate of the M-95 and its crew of 20 sailors still fairly unknown - June 14 in a minefield near the northern tip of Hogland there were two powerful explosions recorded by observers, and after that the area east of Hogland for several days exposed to intense bombardment by boats and aircraft Finns. The reasons for the flooding of the M-95 will be judged after the discovery and examination of the skeleton of the boat.

Frigate "The Tempest" and the minesweeper "land mine" were killed in August 1942 during an operation to destroy enemy patrols in the island of Great Tyuters threatening movement of Soviet submarines.

As part of the expedition will take place on May 6 ceremony of perpetuating the memory of more than 100 sailors of the Baltic Fleet - the crew members lost ships. Divers will dive for cover and install the wrecks plaques with lists of the dead sailors, they will be given military honors, and the priests of the Moscow Theological Academy otsluzhat memorial service for the dead crew.
http://www.vz.ru/news/2015/5/5/743538.html

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Re: Victories and losses of Soviet submarines during WWII

Post by lupodimare89 » 01 May 2019 10:00

Maybe interested folk already know it, but they located ShCh-308.
Location give confirmation to the commonly suspected cause (mine loss because "Seeigel" barrage)
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Btw, in 2017 also wrecks of ShCh-317, ShCh-320 and ShCh-406 found and explored: all caused by the very same "Seeigel"

In 2018 was found ShCh-408 with evidence of sinking of direct surface combat versus MFP F-188 and F-199 on 22 May 1943


The remaining submarines of the Baltic Fleet left unaccounted for (wreck not found) are: M-98, M-96, ShCh-302 and Kalev (but there are no different theories over their sinking: all should be lost by mines).

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Re: Victories and losses of Soviet submarines during WWII

Post by lupodimare89 » 05 May 2019 13:09

Also ShCh-302 was just found! (no change in loss cause)
http://tsushima.su/forums/viewtopic.php?id=10509

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