Victories and losses of Soviet submarines during WWII

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Post by BIGpanzer » 21 Mar 2007 20:00

Perfect!
Thanks a lot!!!!, as this translator has German-Russian/Russian-German option I tried to find during so many months :roll:
:) :) :)

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 21 Mar 2007 21:41

Harri wrote:
BIGpanzer wrote:Soviets claimed that "Matallist" was sank by unknown submarine, based in Estonian port
What is really interesting that Soviets practised about the similar situation in their naval excercise already IIRC in spring 1939..
According to the book Veljien Valtiosalaisuus (The State secret of Brothers) by Jari Leskinen, Soviet Baltic Navy held an operational wargame March 26-28th 1939.
The Soviet scenario to the game, was the following (red side = USSR, yellow side = Estonia, blue side = Finland)
General situation at the red side:
22-23th July 1939 many large border conflicts with the blue side at Mainila village area at Karelian Isthmus.
Yellow side is moving it's troops to the East-border area...
An unknown enemy submarine sank a red trawler at Kalbådagrund area 24th July 1939 1000 hours
At that book there is also interesting information what happened, not to a "red trawler", but steamer Metallist.
According to the Estonian border guard reports Metallist came to the Narva Bay 0600 hours 27th Sept-39 anchoring there. 1500hours same day three Soviet Baltic Navy ships came to the area, one of them to the side of Metallist, the two other circling around the staionary ships.
That continued to the 1840 hours, when the darkness came, and Metallist could not anymore be seen.
No torpedo explosions were heard, nor any emergency transmittions were heard.
1840 hours (=1940 hours Moscow time) Metallist was still afloat.
2000 hours Moscow time (same day) Soviet radio broadcasted and bit later Soviet foreign minister Molotov stated that Metallist had been sunken by a foreign submarine that same day at 1800 hours Moscow time (=1700 hours Estonian time).
In reality Metallist was then still afloat, under the eyes of Estonian border guards.
Metallist sank to shallow water and the upper structures of the ship remained above water.
According to eye-wittnesses the ship was seen (it was raised, JT) next spring at Paldiski and Tallinn harbours.

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Post by BIGpanzer » 21 Mar 2007 23:45

Thanks, Juha!
As for wargame - in my opinion seems to be too early to plan so detailed operations in July 1939.
As for "Metallist" - yes, I read very similar info also [as one of the many possible versions of event], IIRC Estonian border guards noticed something behind the steamer which looked like low barge hull [in reality it could be submarine - BP].

Juha wrote:
I wrote: PS2. Additional info about raising of Shch-406 by Finns 11.10.1943, please.
Don't remember reading about such case.
That is why I am asking. The problem is that many sources mention that Red Banner Shch-406 was lost between 29.05.1943-02.06.1943 and there were no radiomessages from it [reasons: attacks of Finnish anti-submarine ships/mine-layer near lighthouse Porrkalan-Kallboda [Porkkala-Udd] 01.06.1943 or attacks of German anti-submarine ships/seaplanes from 24th flotilla near Island Vaindlo or explosion on sea mine fields "Nashorn" or "Seeigel"], 39 crewmembers were lost.
But several sources mention this also and add - 11.10.1943 Shch-406 was raised by Finns, later scrapped......
PS [some info, no time for detailed check, so any corrections are welcome]. During its career Shch-406 was unsuccessfully attacked by coastal artillery [14.06.1942], patrol boat [25.06.1942], Finnish bomber [Do-17 or Ju-88; 25.06.1942; lightly damaged diving rudder], Finnish anti-submarine ships [during the whole day 25.06.1942, when rudder control was repaired at the bottom].
Shch-406 unsuccessfully attacked Swedish/German convoy [06.07.1942] and avoided Swedish patrol ship [dropped 9 depth charges], attacked convoy under German flag [07.07.1942, 1 explosion was heard but no confirmation data], heavily damaged German schooner of 545 brt [08.07.1942], unsuccessfully attacked Swdish/Finnish convoy [22.07.1942] and avoided 56 depth charges from 2 Swedish destroyers and patrol boats; attacked convoy under German flag [25.07.1942; 2 explosions were heard but no confirmation data]; Shch-406 was attacked by enemy patrol ship [01.08.1942] which could damage nose part of the hull by depth charges, but submarine returned home successfully. 26.10.1942 - torpedoed transport [the strong explosion was noticed via periscope but no confirmations]; sank Swedish transport "Bengt Sture" [872 brt, 29.10.1942; 7 men were rescued by submarine, 8 were lost]; sank Finnish transport "Agnes" [2983 brt, 01.11.1942; 4 men were lost].

Regards, BP

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M CLASS SOVIET SUBS

Post by walter leotta » 22 Mar 2007 12:13

Hi all

In my list i've 100 soviet subs "M class"

1) BEFORE 1-9-1939: 59 subs
M-1 - M-28; M-51-M-57; M-71-M-86; M-90; M-92; M-171 - M-176

2) FROM 9.39 TO 22.6.41: 20 subs
M-30 - M-36; M-58 - M-60; M-62 - M-63; M-94 - M-99; M-102; M-103

3) FROM 22.6.41 TO 2.9.45: 21 subs
M-104 - M-108: M-111 - M-122; M-200 - M-203.

IT'S ALL RIGHT?

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WALTER

PS- I'VE EXCEL LIST SOVIET SUBS IN WWII (FLEET, COMMISSIONS AND LOST) TO CONTROL. IF YOU WANT IT

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SOVIET SUBS on 1.9.39 ships and fleets

Post by walter leotta » 22 Mar 2007 13:23

Hi all.
this my list of soviet subs on 1.9.39: ships, commission (yy-mo-day) and fleets-
The soviets sub are 165.

It'all right?
thanks
Walter



A-1 19201021 Black sea
A-2 19210721 Black sea
A-3 19220524 Black sea
A-4 19230711 Black sea
A-5 19180000 Black sea
D-1 19300000 Northern
D-2 19310906 Baltic
D-3 19311001 Northern
D-4 19301230 Black sea
D-5 19310405 Black sea
D-6 19310615 Black sea
L-01 19331022 Baltic
L-02 19331024 Baltic
L-03 19331105 Baltic
L-04 19331008 Black sea
L-05 19331030 Black sea
L-06 19350509 Black sea
L-07 19361210 Pacific
L-08 19361229 Pacific
L-09 19361229 Pacific
L-10 19371217 Pacific
L-11 19381105 Pacific
L-12 19381209 Pacific
L-13 19381002 Pacific
L-14 19381010 Pacific
L-15 19381106 Pacific
L-17 19390605 Pacific
L-55 19321210 Baltic
M-001 19340426 Pacific
M-002 19340522 Pacific
M-003 19340602 Pacific
M-004 19340606 Pacific
M-005 19331029 Pacific
M-006 19340613 Pacific
M-007 19340706 Pacific
M-008 19340705 Pacific
M-009 19340705 Pacific
M-010 19340705 Pacific
M-011 19340705 Pacific
M-012 19340724 Pacific
M-013 19340714 Pacific
M-014 19340710 Pacific
M-015 19340710 Pacific
M-016 19340722 Pacific
M-017 19340721 Pacific
M-018 19340722 Pacific
M-019 19340822 Pacific
M-020 19340823 Pacific
M-021 19340923 Pacific
M-022 19341010 Pacific
M-023 19341010 Pacific
M-024 19341205 Pacific
M-025 19341205 Pacific
M-026 19340414 Pacific
M-027 19341231 Pacific
M-028 19350716 Pacific
M-051 19340909 Black sea
M-052 19340909 Black sea
M-053 19350611 Pacific
M-054 19361014 Black sea
M-055 19361017 Black sea
M-056 19361019 Pacific
M-057 19390727 Pacific
M-071 19350913 Baltic
M-072 19350913 Baltic
M-073 19350913 Baltic
M-074 19350913 Baltic
M-075 19350913 Baltic
M-076 19350913 Baltic
M-077 19360625 Baltic
M-078 19360625 Baltic
M-079 19361010 Baltic
M-080 19360722 Baltic
M-081 19360722 Baltic
M-082 19351106 Pacific
M-083 19351108 Baltic
M-084 19351127 Pacific
M-085 19351104 Pacific
M-086 19351104 Pacific
M-090 19380625 Baltic
M-092 19380408 Baltic
M-171 19371211 Northern
M-172 19371211 Northern
M-173 19380622 Northern
M-174 19381024 Northern
M-175 19380928 Northern
M-176 19381011 Northern
P-1 19360723 Baltic
P-2 19360723 Baltic
P-3 19360723 Baltic
S-002 19360923 Baltic
S-003 19380708 Baltic
SC-121 19350430 Pacific
SC-122 19350430 Pacific
SC-123 19350430 Pacific
SC-124 19350929 Pacific
SC-125 19360515 Pacific
SC-126 19361017 Pacific
SC-127 19361017 Pacific
SC-128 19361031 Pacific
SC-129 19361031 Pacific
SC-130 19361211 Pacific
SC-131 19361211 Pacific
SC-132 19361211 Pacific
SC-133 19361119 Pacific
SC-134 19361227 Pacific
SC-204 19351230 Black sea
SC-205 19361117 Black sea
SC-206 19360814 Black sea
SC-207 19361117 Black sea
SC-208 19370309 Black sea
SC-209 19361231 Black sea
SC-210 19361231 Black sea
SC-211 19380505 Black sea
SC-212 19381031 Black sea
SC-213 19381031 Black sea
SC-214 19390304 Black sea
SC-215 19370111 Black sea
SC-306 19350804 Baltic
SC-307 19350804 Baltic
SC-308 19351114 Baltic
SC-309 19360820 Baltic
SC-310 19360820 Baltic
SC-311 19360821 Baltic
SC-315 after SC-423 19371205 Northern
SC-317 19360929 Baltic
SC-318 19360812 Baltic
SC-319 19361129 Baltic
SC-320 19361129 Baltic
SC-322 19361103 ??????
SC-323 19361103 ???????
SC-324 19361031 ???????
SC-401 19360717 Baltic
SC-402 19360926 Baltic
SC-403 ?????? ??????
SC-404 19360926 Baltic
SC-421 19371205 ???????
SC-422 19371204 Black sea
SC-424 19360717 Northern
ShCh-101 19330922 Pacific
ShCh-102 19330922 Pacific
ShCh-104 19331105 Pacific
ShCh-105 19331105 Pacific
ShCh-106 19331126 Pacific
ShCh-107 19331127 Pacific
ShCh-108 19331221 Pacific
ShCh-109 19340418 Pacific
ShCh-110 19340518 Pacific
ShCh-111 19340911 Pacific
ShCh-112 19340911 Pacific
ShCh-113 19340911 Pacific
ShCh-114 19340911 Pacific
ShCh-115 19341010 Pacific
ShCh-116 19350111 Pacific
ShCh-117 19341218 Pacific
ShCh-118 19341218 Pacific
ShCh-119 19350202 Pacific
ShCh-120 19350130 Pacific
ShCh-201 19350805 Black sea
ShCh-202 19350903 Black sea
ShCh-203 19350904 Black sea
ShCh-302 19331011 Baltic
ShCh-303 19331115 Baltic
ShCh-304 19340815 Baltic
ShCh-305 19350719 Baltic

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Post by BIGpanzer » 22 Mar 2007 13:37

Thanks, Walter.
I have the full lists of Soviet submarines - I will check your info in the week-end, OK?

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SOVIET SUBS from 1.9.39 to 22.6.41

Post by walter leotta » 22 Mar 2007 13:44

hi big panzer

now the list soviets sub commissioned
from 1.9.39 to 22.6.41
49 subs
if you want i have excel file
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K-01 ********* 19391216 Northern
K-02 ********* 19391216 Northern
K-03 ********* 19401127 Northern
K-21 ********* 19401130 Northern
K-22 ********* 19400715 Northern
K-23 ********* 19400929 Northern
Kalev ********* 19400819 Baltic
L-16 ********* 19391209 Pacific
L-19 ********* 19391010 Pacific
Lembit ********* 19400819 Baltic
M-030 ********* 19400831 Pacific
M-031 ********* 19401107 Black sea
M-032 ********* 19401107 Black sea
M-033 ********* 19401218 Black sea
M-034 ********* 19401231 Black sea
M-035 ********* 19410224 Black sea
M-036 ********* 19410223 Black sea
M-058 ********* 19391010 Black sea
M-059 ********* 19400619 Black sea
M-060 ********* 19400619 Black sea
M-062 ********* 19400731 Black sea
M-063 ********* 19400731 Pacific
M-094 ********* 19391212 Baltic
M-095 ********* 19391120 Baltic
M-096 ********* 19391212 Baltic
M-097 ********* 19391112 Baltic
M-098 ********* 19400801 Baltic
M-099 ********* 19400723 Baltic
M-102 ********* 19401229 Baltic
M-103 ********* 19401229 Baltic
Ronis ********* 19400813 Baltic
S-001 ********* 19390911 Baltic
S-004 ********* 19391030 Baltic
S-005 ********* 19391030 Baltic
S-006 ********* 19391030 Baltic
S-007 ********* 19400630 Baltic
S-008 ********* 19400630 Baltic
S-009 ********* 19401031 Baltic
S-010 ********* 19401225 Baltic
S-031 ********* 19400619 Black sea
S-032 ********* 19400619 Black sea
S-033 ********* 19401118 Black sea
S-034 ********* 19410329 Black sea
S-054 ********* 19401231 Pacific
S-101 ********* 19401215 Northern
S-102 ********* 19401216 Northern
SC-405 ********* 19410607 Baltic
SC-406 ********* 19410607 Baltic
Spidola ********* 19400813 Baltic

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SOVIET SUB to 2.9.45

Post by walter leotta » 22 Mar 2007 13:51

and the list from 22.6.41 to 2.9.45: 59 subs

TOTAL
TO 1939: 165 SUBS
TO 6/41: 49 SUBS
TO 9/45: 59 SUBS
TOTAL 273 SUBS



K-51 ********* 19410917 Baltic
K-52 ********* 19421011 Baltic
K-53 ********* 19430831 Baltic
K-55 ********* 19441225 Baltic
K-56 ********* 19421125 Baltic
L-20 ********* 19420828 Northern
L-21 ********* 19430831 Baltic
L-22 ********* 19420828 Northern
L-23 ********* 19411031 Black sea
L-24 ********* 19420429 Black sea
M-104 ********* 19430224 Northern
M-105 ********* 19430317 Northern
M-106 ********* 19430428 Northern
M-107 ********* 19430810 Northern
M-108 ********* 19430824 Northern
M-111 ********* 19410705 Baltic
M-112 ********* 19410705 Baltic
M-113 ********* 19410705 Baltic
M-114 ********* 19411112 Pacific
M-115 ********* 19411001 Pacific
M-116 ********* 19411107 Pacific
M-117 ********* 19411108 Black sea
M-118 ********* 19411108 Black sea
M-119 ********* 19421029 Northern
M-120 ********* 19411108 Black sea
M-121 ********* 19420410 Northern
M-122 ********* 19420801 Northern
M-200 ********* 19430320 Northern
M-201 ********* 19430416 Northern
M-202 ********* 19440219 Baltic
M-203 ********* 19441028
S-011 ********* 19410627 Baltic
S-012 ********* 19410724 Baltic
S-013 ********* 19410731 Baltic
S-014 ********* 19429421 Northern
S-015 ********* 19421220 Northern
S-016 ********* 19430210 Northern
S-019 ********* 19440221 Northern
S-020 ********* 19450219 Northern
S-051 ********* 19411130 Pacific
S-052 ********* 19430609 Pacific
S-053 ********* 19430130 Pacific
S-055 ********* 19410725 Pacific
S-056 ********* 19411020 Pacific
S-103 ********* 19420630 Northern
S-104 ********* 19420922 Northern
SC-135 ********* 19410901 Pacific
SC-136 ********* 19410905 Pacific
SC-137 ********* 19411118 Pacific
SC-138 ********* 19411230 Pacific
SC-216 ********* 19410817 Black sea
SC-407 ********* 19410910 Baltic
SC-408 ********* 19410910 Baltic
SC-411 ********* 19450721 Baltic
ShCh-301 ********* 19431011 Baltic
V-1 ********* 19440624 Northern
V-2 ********* 19440626 Northern
V-3 ********* 19440626 Northern
V-4 ********* 19440626 Northern

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Post by walter leotta » 22 Mar 2007 14:03

and the losses from 1.9.39 to 2.9.45
104 subs

thanks BIGPANZER
good week end

Walter



A-1 ****** 19420626
A-3 ****** 19431028
D-1 ****** 19401130
D-3 ****** 19420600
D-4 ****** 19431204
D-6 ****** 19420626
K-01 ****** 19430900
K-02 ****** 19430902
K-03 ****** 19430321
K-22 ****** 19430207
K-23 ****** 19420512
Kalev ****** 19411100
L-02 ****** 19411114
L-06 ****** 19440418
L-16 ****** 19421011
L-19 ****** 19450824
L-23 ****** 19440117
L-24 ****** 19421200
M-031 ****** 19421200
M-033 ****** 19420800
M-034 ****** 19411100
M-036 ****** 19440144
M-051 ****** 19441230
M-057 ****** 19410800
M-058 ****** 19411000
M-059 ****** 19411100
M-060 ****** 19420900
M-063 ****** 19410800
M-071 ****** 19410624
M-074 ****** 19410923
M-078 ****** 19410623
M-080 ****** 19410624
M-081 ****** 19410701
M-083 ****** 19410627
M-094 ****** 19410721
M-095 ****** 19420600
M-096 ****** 19440908
M-097 ****** 19420815
M-098 ****** 19411100
M-099 ****** 19410627
M-103 ****** 19410800
M-106 ****** 19430705
M-108 ****** 19440228
M-118 ****** 19421001
M-121 ****** 19421100
M-122 ****** 19430514
M-172 ****** 19431000
M-173 ****** 19420800
M-174 ****** 19431000
M-175 ****** 19420100
M-176 ****** 19420700
P-1 ****** 19410900
Ronis ****** 19410623
S-001 ****** 19410621
S-002 ****** 19400103
S-003 ****** 19410624
S-004 ****** 19450107
S-005 ****** 19410828
S-006 ****** 19410800
S-007 ****** 19421021
S-008 ****** 19411000
S-009 ****** 19430800
S-010 ****** 19410600
S-011 ****** 19410802
S-012 ****** 19430800
S-032 ****** 19420622
S-034 ****** 19411100
S-054 ****** 19440300
S-055 ****** 19431200
SC-138 ****** 19420718
SC-204 ****** 19411206
SC-206 ****** 19410709
SC-208 ****** 19420800
SC-210 ****** 19420300
SC-211 ****** 19411114
SC-212 ****** 19421211
SC-213 ****** 19421014
SC-214 ****** 19420619
SC-216 ****** 19440217
SC-306 ****** 19421112
SC-308 ****** 19421012
SC-311 ****** 19421015
SC-317 ****** 19420715
SC-319 ****** 19410929
SC-320 ****** 19421027
SC-322 ****** 19411011
SC-323 ****** 19430501
SC-324 ****** 19411105
SC-401 ****** 19430423
SC-402 ****** 19440921
SC-403 ****** 19431002
SC-405 ****** 19420713
SC-406 ****** 19430526
SC-408 ****** 19430525
SC-421 ****** 19420409
SC-422 ****** 19430705
SC-424 ****** 19391020
ShCh-203 ****** 19430826
ShCh-301 ****** 19410828
ShCh-302 ****** 19421000
ShCh-304 ****** 19421100
ShCh-305 ****** 19421105
Spidola ****** 19410623
V-1 ****** 19440724

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Post by BIGpanzer » 22 Mar 2007 14:42

Thanks, Walter!
No, I don't need the excel list [thanks for your significant efforts!] as I have the career list of all Soviet submarines of all types during WWII.
Juha wrote about Shch-317:
From Finnish sources
P-O Ekholm at his previous mentioned book mentions:
-sinking of S/S Argo SW of Bogskär morning 16th June 1942
-same afternoon torpedo miss of Swedish S/S Anna
-damaged Danish S/S Orion W of Gotska Sandön
-22th June mid day sinking of Swedish Ada Gorthon E of Öland
-4th July a torpedo miss of Swedish Fortuna off Smygehug
8th July sinking of German Otto Kords at coast of Blekingen
10th July ShCh-317 sent a radio message to the Brigade HQ that it had sunk five ships and had started the return trip. It was the last message the boat sent.
German armed trawlers detected the boat when it was passing the Nashorn minefield, and attacked the boat with detphcharges, and caused the boat fuel tanks to leak.
13th July a Finnish Dornier Do-22 plane detected S of Kallbådagrund a fuel trail that was moving eastwards.
Then Finnish planes dropped depthcharges to the trail, but with no visible effect.
Then Finnish minelayer Ruotsinsalmi and a patrolboat VMV6 arrived to the scene.
After 11 dropped depth charges more oil and air bubles began to arise. Five depthcharges, set to explode 60-80m, caused even more oil and air bubles to appear. Also a sailors cap came to surface. Oil kept coming from the same spot for several days.
At Finnish sources the sub is mentioned to have been destroyed 15th July 1942 South of Kallbådagrund.
Very correct. Small notes -
1. Finnish transport "Argo" [2513 brt, cargo - potash salt for Germany], torpedoed 16.06.1942 [06.05.] [point 59.21'/20.14'], 9 men were lost.
2. Torpedo miss of Swedish transport "Ulla" [why "Anna"?] the same day [~12.00] near Is. Bogskär [Swedish transport rescued crewmembers from "Argo"].
3. Heavily damaged Danish transport "Orion" 19.06.1942 [torpedoed, point 58.08'/18.00']. "Orion" [2405 brt] made run Copenhagen-Luleo, 3 men were lost; was towed to Is. Gotland 22.06.1942.
4. 22.06.1942 sank [12.14.] Swedish transport "Ada Gorthon", 2399 brt [57.09'/18.00']. "Ada Gorthon" transported iron ore for Germany, 14 men were lost.
5. Additional info - 01.07.1942: unsuccessfully attacked Swedish transport "Galeon" near Is. Aland, Swedish destroyer "Ehrensköld" tried to attack Soviet submarine.
6. 04.07.1942 - unsuccessfully attacked Swedish transport "Fortuna" near lighthouse Smygehug.
7. Additional info - 06.07.1942 was attacked by Swedish destroyer "Nordenskjöld" [12.31; 2 miles SE of lighthouse Hegby, Is. Aland]
8. 08.07.1942 - sank German transport "Otto Kords" [966 brt] - [07.47] [55.49'/15.01'].
9. 09.07.1942 [23.45] - message from brigade HQ to leave the position and return back. Last radio message of Shch-317 from 10.07.1942 [02.30] - "Sank five enemy ships, don't have torpedos, please inform me about the position of S-4".
10. I have no info that German armed trawlers detected the submarine and attacked it.
13.07-14.07. Finnish aircraft dropped depth charges. Finnish minelayer "Ruotsinsalmi" and patrol boat VMV 6 dropped depth charges W to Is. Vaindlo - that was one of the possible reason of submarine loss. Another possibilities - explosion on mine 12.07 W to Is. Naissar [Finnish observation post detected large explosion], collision with Swedish schooner "Hanna" 10.07. [15.00] or depth charges from Swedish destroyer "Stockholm" 12.07 [57.52'/16.55'] where it was found by Swedish divers in spring 2000

41 crewmembers and commander of 4th submarine division captain 2nd rank V.A. Egorov were lost on Shch-317. Commander of Baltic Navy awarded all crewmembers with orders posrmortem, V.A. Egorov was singled out for a Hero of USSR [that was rejected, and he was awarded postmortem only 23.10.1991].

Regards, BP
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Post by Harri » 22 Mar 2007 14:54

BIGpanzer wrote:...Finnish bomber [Do-17 or Ju-88; 25.06.1942; lightly damaged diving rudder]...
Most likely (if it was a Finnish plane) it was a SB bomber of Flying Squadron 6 (Le.Lv.6) which was subordinated to Naval Forces for anti-shipping and anti-submarine patrol duties. Do 17s were used only as level bombers and not against naval targets AFAIK. Finns received Ju 88s later in winter 1943. They attacked also against Soviet ships in the summer 1944 because they were capable for dive and slide bombing.

Gulf of Finland was divided to German and Finnish patrol sectors and I think Germans' didn't patrol "on the Finnish side" without some special reason. Only Ju 52 sea mine clearing planes operated on the Finnish side in 1943 and 1944.

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Post by walter leotta » 22 Mar 2007 14:55

Ok BIGPanzer...
then, If you want a excel list.......... of cariers jap subs, or Italian Navy, no problem
Thanks a lot

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Post by BIGpanzer » 22 Mar 2007 15:17

Harri wrote:
Most likely (if it was a Finnish plane) it was a SB bomber of Flying Squadron 6 (Le.Lv.6) which was subordinated to Naval Forces for anti-shipping and anti-submarine patrol duties...
Gulf of Finland was divided to German and Finnish patrol sectors and I think Germans' didn't patrol "on the Finnish side" without some special reason.....
I guess that submarine signalmen could noticed twin-engine enemy bomber and it was written in logbook [attacked by Do-17 or Ju-88]. Most probably that was Finnish bomber as Finnish patrol boats came soon and unsuccessfully bombed Shch-406 while its crew repaired diving rudder control at the sea bottom.
walter leotta wrote:
Ok BIGPanzer...
then, If you want a excel list.......... of cariers jap subs, or Italian Navy, no problem
Thanks a lot
Thank you very much. If you have additional details of sinking Shch-214 by Italian torpedo boat MAS. 571 - please, post them.

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Post by walter leotta » 22 Mar 2007 16:21

Hi BP

Italians subs of WWII
victories 143 ships for 704.305 t
subs lost from 1940 to 1945: 87 subs included small subs
best record: sub Da Vinci 16 ships / 116.686 t

Japanese subs of WWII
170 subs (64 7.12.41 plus 106 to 1945)
115 I class and 55 RO class
victories 199 ships for 974.755 t
losses 127 subs
best record: sub I-15 15 ships / 81.611 t

German subs
1.171 uboats
tipo IA [303 tons in immersione]: 2 unità [U25-26]; tipo IIA [983 tons]: 6 esemplari [U1-6]; tipo IIB [329 tons]: 20 unità [U7-24, 120-121]; tipo IIC [341 tons]: 8 unità [U56-63]; tipo IID [364 tons]: 16 unità [U137-152]; tipo VIIA [745 tons]: 10 unità [U27-36]; tipo VIIB [857 tons]: 24 unità [U45-55, 73-76, 83--87, 99-102]; tipo VIIC [871 tons]: 569 unità [U69-72, 77-82, 88-98, 132-136, 201-212, 221-232, 235-291, 301-316, 331-394, 396-458, 465-473, 475-486, 551-683, 701-722, 731-768, 771-779, 821-822, 825-826, 901, 903-907, 921-928, 951-994, 1051-1058, 1101-1102, 1131-1132, 1161-1162, 1191-1210]; tipo VIIC41 [871 tons]: 91 unità [U292-300, 317-328, 827-828, 929-930, 995, 997-1010, 1013-1025, 1063-1065, 1103-1110, 1163-1172, 1271-1279, 1301-1308]; tipo VIID [1.080 tons]: 6 unità [U213-218]; tipo VIIF [1.181 tons]: 4 unità [U1059-1062]; tipo IXA [1.153 tons]: 8 unità [U37-U44]; tipo IXB [1.178 tons]: 14 unità [U64-65, 103-111, 122-124]; tipo IXC [1.232 tons]: 54 unità [U66-68, 125-131, 153-166, 171-176, 501-524]; tipo IXC40 [1.247 tons]: 87 unità [U167-U170, U183-U194, U525 -U550, U801-U806, U841-U846, U853-U858, U865-870, U877-881, U889, 1221-1235]; tipo IXD1 [1.799 tons]: 2 unità [U180, 195]; tipo IXD2 [1.799 tons]: 28 unità [U177-179, 181-182, 196-200, 847-852, 859-864, 871-876]; tipo IXD42 [1.799 tons]: 1 unità [U883]; tipo XB [2.177 tons]: 8 unità [U116-119, 219-220, 233-234]; tipo XIV [1.932 tons]: 10 unità [U459-464, 487-490]; tipo XVIIA [da 259 a 309 tons]: 4 unità [U792-795]; tipo XVIIB [337 tons]: 3 unità [U1405-1407]; tipo XXI [1.819 tons]: 119 unità [U2501-2531, 2533-2546, 2548, 2551-2552, 3001-3035, 3037-3041, 3044, 3501-3530]; tipo XXIII [258 tons]: 62 unità [U2321-2371, 4701-4707, 4709 -4712]; 1 unità tipo ex Turchia [U-A]

commissioned: 57 on 1.9.39 plus 7 unità nel 1939; 50 nel 1940; 196 nel 1941; 236 nel 1942; 286 nel 1943; 232 nel 1944; 93 nel 1945


3.051 victories (sunk. captured) for 14.507.148 t
in 3.051 victories included 31 small units for 4.916 t on board of allied merchants
plus 3 german ships for 12.422 t

3.051 victories: anno 1939, 155 unità per 571.970 tons; anno 1940, 509 unità per 2.385.974 tons; anno 1941, 459 per 2.208.946; anno 1942, 1.152 unità per 5.877.960 tons; anno 1943, 484 unità per 2.362.875 tons; anno 1944, 208 unità per 780.056 tons; anno 1945, 84 unità per 319.367 tons

3.051 victories: Atlantic 1.969 / 10.143.835 tons Europe [UK, Biscay Gulf and North Sea Norway 592 ( 2.408.642 tons], Mediterranean [188 / 644.707], Indian [144 / 853.818], Artic [116 / 418.756], Baltic [24 / 7.100], Black Sea [17 / 23.110], Pacifico [1 / 7.180]


uboat LOSSES

survived 8.5.45: 166 subs
self-sunk in may 1945: 229 subs
transferred japan: 3 subs
stricken in the war: 14 subs
total 412

accident 35
friendly fire 1
sunk or captured by allies in the sea: 662
self-sunker 1939-45: 12
destroyed in ports: 49
total 759

759 losses by year: 9 nel 1939, 22 nel 1940, 35 nel 1941, 85 nel 1942, 239 nel 1943, 239 nel 1944, 130 nel 1945.

US Navy
In WWIi USN lost 52 subs

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Post by BIGpanzer » 22 Mar 2007 17:43

Excellent info!
But lets discuss Soviet subs here, OK :wink:

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