Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45

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Post by Alex Yeliseenko » 06 Jun 2007 00:22

Kunikov wrote:From what I remember there might have been a few Koreans in the Red Army.
Them was more, than a little. I think, some hundreds. But Germans and Finns was more.

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Post by Kunikov » 06 Jun 2007 00:43

Yes, but that soldier doesn't look German or Finnish :)

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Post by Borianm » 10 Jan 2008 18:56

ThomasG wrote:Can you identify the ethnicity of this Soviet PoW?
http://img467.imageshack.us/img467/8979 ... mkrez4.jpg
Yes, south kazakh, kyrgyz or karakalpak, for me looks more like kyrgyz from Osh region, but I can be wrong. One thing is sure - he comes from very low class of nomads - kara soesoek (black bone). The noble Central Asian faces are more "turan" like...

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Post by Borianm » 10 Jan 2008 19:26

As for legendary 316 Str (Inf) Div (Panfilov's) later 8th Guards it's units were conscripted in Nothern Kyrgyzstan (Chuy and Issyk-kul valleys) and South Kazakstan from both local ex-nomadic people and sons of Russian and Ukranian colonists of Stolypin's colonisation (circa 1905)... About half-to-half. On the wall of the secondary school I have studied in Frunze (now Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan) it was the metal sign "Çäåñü ôîðìèðîâàëèñü ÷àñòè 316 ÑÄ" - Here it was forming point for units of 316 InfDiv...

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Post by Art » 14 Jan 2008 13:00

Some info on the national composition of the Soviet Army from "The peoples of Caucasus and the Red Army" by Alexey Bezugolniy with referrence to some other researches.
April 1943
1,77 % Armenians
1,48 % Georgians
1,4 % Azerbaijanians
2,62 % Uzbeks
2,22 % Kazakhs

1st July 1943
Russians 63,84 %
Ukrainians 11,6 %
Armanians 1,4 %
Georgians 1,17 %
Azerbaijanians 1,57 %
Uzbeks 4,44 %

1st July 1944
Russians 51,78 %
Ukrainians 33,9 %
Armenians 0,81 %
Georgians 0,5 %
Azebaijanians 0,81 %
Uzbeks 1,25 %

The dramatic increase of the percentage of Ukrainians is the most interesting thing, most likely being the result of the consription from the liberated territory during the year. Also the decrease of the percentage of the nations of Caucasus and Central Asia is clearly visible. To explain this it should be said that in October 1943 the order of the Main Directorate for Manning and Formation of the RKKA suspended further mobilization of local nationalities in the national regions of Central Asia and Caucasus. The exeption was made on October 1944 when the conscription of the young draftees of the 1926 year class was ordered, in all the other regions this class was drafted alrready in the previous year. The effect of the decrease in the moblization rate is demonstrated by the data on the number of men mobilized in national regions of Caucasus.
Region/ Mobilized up to 1.1.1943/up to 1.1.44/up to 1.7.45
Georgian SSR/428 378/485 979/521 663
Azerbaijanian SSR/412 690/479 872/ 513 837
Armenian SSR/179 034/ 209 206/ 223 697
Dagestan ASSR/100 357/115 107/122 268
Groznyi Oblast (fromer Chechen ASSR)/na/52 519/60 335
North Osetian ASSR/na/65 263/70 633
Kabardin-Balkarian ASSR/na/50 241/ 54 422
Stavropol kray including Circassian and Karachai regions/na/383 283/ 429 795
Total 1 995 466 men mobilized up to 1.7.45
SSR = Soviet Socialistic Republic
ASSR=Autonomous Soviet Socialistic Republic (part of Russian Federation)
The population of Satvropol region was predominantely Slavic except the two national regions, nowever no separate data for these regions are available.

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Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45

Post by Art » 19 Apr 2008 11:06

One post by Alaric was removed as adding nothing vauable to the topic and threatening to initiate a racist-favoured flame. I strongly recommend to find another forum to discuss such issues as inferiority of certain national or racial groups.

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Post by Art » 21 Apr 2008 12:34

An old post by ThomasG was removed as balancing on the edge of national/religious insult. A reply by Kamen Nevenkin was removed as well.

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Post by Kelvin » 07 Jul 2011 17:11

Kunikov wrote:
Alex Yeliseenko wrote:One more example. Kunikov, the request to you. Translate, please this table. I have no time.

Не смогу корректно и грамотно перевести.

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From what I understand it lists the percentage of the men in the divisions listed on the bottom who were in fact of the nationality which the division was 'named' after:
77th Azerbajani division
89th Armenian division
223rd Azerbajani division
276th Georgian division
394th Georgian division
409th Armenian division
414th Georgian division

I believe the numbers speak for themselves.
Any national divisons from Central Asia like Uzbek or Kazah or from Kazan like Tatars, Komi, Udmurt, Chuvash ?

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Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45

Post by Art » 07 Jul 2011 19:59

On 13 November 1941 the GKO approved formation of the following national units:

Rifle Brigades:
87 Turkmen
88 Turkmen
89 Uzbek
90 Uzbek
91 Uzbek
92 Uzbek
93 Uzbek

94 Uzbek
96 Uzbek
97 Uzbek

98 Tadzhik
99 Tadzhik

100 Kazakh
101 Kazakh

Cavalry Division:
96 Kazakh
97 Turkmen
98 Turkmen

99 Uzbek
100 Uzbek
101 Uzbek
102 Uzbek
103 Uzbek

104 Tadzhik
105 Kazakh
106 Kazakh

107 Kirghiz
108 Kirghiz
109 Kirghiz

110 Kalmyk
111 Kalmyk
112 Bashkir
113 Bashkir
114 Chechen-Ingush
115 Kabardin-Balkar

Units underlined were disbanded in 1942 before taking part inaction. 114 Cavalry Division was reformed as 255 Cavalry Regiment, in this incarnation it saw action in the Don steppes in 1942.

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Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45

Post by Kelvin » 08 Jul 2011 06:35

Art wrote:On 13 November 1941 the GKO approved formation of the following national units:

Rifle Brigades:
87 Turkmen
88 Turkmen
89 Uzbek
90 Uzbek
91 Uzbek
92 Uzbek
93 Uzbek

94 Uzbek
96 Uzbek
97 Uzbek

98 Tadzhik
99 Tadzhik

100 Kazakh
101 Kazakh

Cavalry Division:
96 Kazakh
97 Turkmen
98 Turkmen

99 Uzbek
100 Uzbek
101 Uzbek
102 Uzbek
103 Uzbek

104 Tadzhik
105 Kazakh
106 Kazakh

107 Kirghiz
108 Kirghiz
109 Kirghiz

110 Kalmyk
111 Kalmyk
112 Bashkir
113 Bashkir
114 Chechen-Ingush
115 Kabardin-Balkar

Units underlined were disbanded in 1942 before taking part inaction. 114 Cavalry Division was reformed as 255 Cavalry Regiment, in this incarnation it saw action in the Don steppes in 1942.
Hi, Art, any divisions formed from Tatars or nationalities in the Volga area like Komi, Mari, Chuvash ?

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Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45

Post by Kelvin » 01 Jul 2016 19:47

Charles Pettibone book Soviet order of battle had comment on each division, I found that most of national division (Rifle division) were come from Causasus area and many divisions he called it a national division like Rebuilt 214th RD was Bashkir national division, 61st RD rebuilt as Armenian division.

I don't see any National Rifle division from 5 Central Asian countries, like 316 RD was recruited from Kazakh and Kirghiz, so is it no national division was authorized or actually formed in separate Central Asian republic like Uzbek, Kazakh or Turkmen ? or Central Asian countries only could build mixed RD like 316th RD ?

Or Soviet " National Divisions " policy only applied to Causcaus Area and Baltic countries ?

Remark : Soviet did have national Cavalry division built for Central Asian countries, so right now I mean Rifle Divison.

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Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45

Post by Kelvin » 04 Jul 2016 07:25

I found some ethnic makeup of individual division to share with members :

Rebuit 89th Rifle Division after Vizama had 80% Armenian recruits on Jan 1 1944

Rebuilt 276th Rifle Division after Kerch had 70% Armenian

392nd Rifle Division had 90% Armenian

402nd Rifle Division had 50% Azerbaijan

416th Rifle Division had 70% Azerbaijan

196th Rifle divsion had 80% Kazakh in 1942 and 20% Russian

310th Rifle division had 40% Kazakh, 30% Russian, 25% Ukrainan and 5% other

316th Rifle Division about one third were Kazakh

7th Rifle Divison in 1943 had 81% Estonian

16th Rifle divison in 1943 had 36.5% Lithuanian

149th Rifle divison had 63% Estonian in 1943

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Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45

Post by Art » 23 Sep 2019 17:36

Personnel of the Soviet Army by ethnicity (from A.Yu. Bezugolniy "An experience of building of the USSR's armed forces: a national aspect (1992-1945)", a doctorate thesis)
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Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45

Post by Kelvin » 24 Sep 2019 03:55

Art wrote:
23 Sep 2019 17:36
Personnel of the Soviet Army by ethnicity (from A.Yu. Bezugolniy "An experience of building of the USSR's armed forces: a national aspect (1992-1945)", a doctorate thesis)

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Some numbers are calculated approximately from percentage provided by the author.
Hi, Art, thank and your data is Wonderful. :D

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Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45

Post by Art » 24 Sep 2019 09:30

You are welcome, the thesis itself can be downloaded here:
https://vagsh.mil.ru/upload/site17/docu ... UQPrI7.pdf

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