Them was more, than a little. I think, some hundreds. But Germans and Finns was more.Kunikov wrote:From what I remember there might have been a few Koreans in the Red Army.
Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45
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Yes, south kazakh, kyrgyz or karakalpak, for me looks more like kyrgyz from Osh region, but I can be wrong. One thing is sure - he comes from very low class of nomads - kara soesoek (black bone). The noble Central Asian faces are more "turan" like...ThomasG wrote:Can you identify the ethnicity of this Soviet PoW?
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As for legendary 316 Str (Inf) Div (Panfilov's) later 8th Guards it's units were conscripted in Nothern Kyrgyzstan (Chuy and Issyk-kul valleys) and South Kazakstan from both local ex-nomadic people and sons of Russian and Ukranian colonists of Stolypin's colonisation (circa 1905)... About half-to-half. On the wall of the secondary school I have studied in Frunze (now Bishkek, Kyrgyzstan) it was the metal sign "Çäåñü ôîðìèðîâàëèñü ÷àñòè 316 ÑÄ" - Here it was forming point for units of 316 InfDiv...
Some info on the national composition of the Soviet Army from "The peoples of Caucasus and the Red Army" by Alexey Bezugolniy with referrence to some other researches.
April 1943
1,77 % Armenians
1,48 % Georgians
1,4 % Azerbaijanians
2,62 % Uzbeks
2,22 % Kazakhs
1st July 1943
Russians 63,84 %
Ukrainians 11,6 %
Armanians 1,4 %
Georgians 1,17 %
Azerbaijanians 1,57 %
Uzbeks 4,44 %
1st July 1944
Russians 51,78 %
Ukrainians 33,9 %
Armenians 0,81 %
Georgians 0,5 %
Azebaijanians 0,81 %
Uzbeks 1,25 %
The dramatic increase of the percentage of Ukrainians is the most interesting thing, most likely being the result of the consription from the liberated territory during the year. Also the decrease of the percentage of the nations of Caucasus and Central Asia is clearly visible. To explain this it should be said that in October 1943 the order of the Main Directorate for Manning and Formation of the RKKA suspended further mobilization of local nationalities in the national regions of Central Asia and Caucasus. The exeption was made on October 1944 when the conscription of the young draftees of the 1926 year class was ordered, in all the other regions this class was drafted alrready in the previous year. The effect of the decrease in the moblization rate is demonstrated by the data on the number of men mobilized in national regions of Caucasus.
Region/ Mobilized up to 1.1.1943/up to 1.1.44/up to 1.7.45
Georgian SSR/428 378/485 979/521 663
Azerbaijanian SSR/412 690/479 872/ 513 837
Armenian SSR/179 034/ 209 206/ 223 697
Dagestan ASSR/100 357/115 107/122 268
Groznyi Oblast (fromer Chechen ASSR)/na/52 519/60 335
North Osetian ASSR/na/65 263/70 633
Kabardin-Balkarian ASSR/na/50 241/ 54 422
Stavropol kray including Circassian and Karachai regions/na/383 283/ 429 795
Total 1 995 466 men mobilized up to 1.7.45
SSR = Soviet Socialistic Republic
ASSR=Autonomous Soviet Socialistic Republic (part of Russian Federation)
The population of Satvropol region was predominantely Slavic except the two national regions, nowever no separate data for these regions are available.
April 1943
1,77 % Armenians
1,48 % Georgians
1,4 % Azerbaijanians
2,62 % Uzbeks
2,22 % Kazakhs
1st July 1943
Russians 63,84 %
Ukrainians 11,6 %
Armanians 1,4 %
Georgians 1,17 %
Azerbaijanians 1,57 %
Uzbeks 4,44 %
1st July 1944
Russians 51,78 %
Ukrainians 33,9 %
Armenians 0,81 %
Georgians 0,5 %
Azebaijanians 0,81 %
Uzbeks 1,25 %
The dramatic increase of the percentage of Ukrainians is the most interesting thing, most likely being the result of the consription from the liberated territory during the year. Also the decrease of the percentage of the nations of Caucasus and Central Asia is clearly visible. To explain this it should be said that in October 1943 the order of the Main Directorate for Manning and Formation of the RKKA suspended further mobilization of local nationalities in the national regions of Central Asia and Caucasus. The exeption was made on October 1944 when the conscription of the young draftees of the 1926 year class was ordered, in all the other regions this class was drafted alrready in the previous year. The effect of the decrease in the moblization rate is demonstrated by the data on the number of men mobilized in national regions of Caucasus.
Region/ Mobilized up to 1.1.1943/up to 1.1.44/up to 1.7.45
Georgian SSR/428 378/485 979/521 663
Azerbaijanian SSR/412 690/479 872/ 513 837
Armenian SSR/179 034/ 209 206/ 223 697
Dagestan ASSR/100 357/115 107/122 268
Groznyi Oblast (fromer Chechen ASSR)/na/52 519/60 335
North Osetian ASSR/na/65 263/70 633
Kabardin-Balkarian ASSR/na/50 241/ 54 422
Stavropol kray including Circassian and Karachai regions/na/383 283/ 429 795
Total 1 995 466 men mobilized up to 1.7.45
SSR = Soviet Socialistic Republic
ASSR=Autonomous Soviet Socialistic Republic (part of Russian Federation)
The population of Satvropol region was predominantely Slavic except the two national regions, nowever no separate data for these regions are available.
Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45
One post by Alaric was removed as adding nothing vauable to the topic and threatening to initiate a racist-favoured flame. I strongly recommend to find another forum to discuss such issues as inferiority of certain national or racial groups.
Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45
An old post by ThomasG was removed as balancing on the edge of national/religious insult. A reply by Kamen Nevenkin was removed as well.
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Any national divisons from Central Asia like Uzbek or Kazah or from Kazan like Tatars, Komi, Udmurt, Chuvash ?Kunikov wrote:From what I understand it lists the percentage of the men in the divisions listed on the bottom who were in fact of the nationality which the division was 'named' after:
77th Azerbajani division
89th Armenian division
223rd Azerbajani division
276th Georgian division
394th Georgian division
409th Armenian division
414th Georgian division
I believe the numbers speak for themselves.
Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45
On 13 November 1941 the GKO approved formation of the following national units:
Rifle Brigades:
87 Turkmen
88 Turkmen
89 Uzbek
90 Uzbek
91 Uzbek
92 Uzbek
93 Uzbek
94 Uzbek
96 Uzbek
97 Uzbek
98 Tadzhik
99 Tadzhik
100 Kazakh
101 Kazakh
Cavalry Division:
96 Kazakh
97 Turkmen
98 Turkmen
99 Uzbek
100 Uzbek
101 Uzbek
102 Uzbek
103 Uzbek
104 Tadzhik
105 Kazakh
106 Kazakh
107 Kirghiz
108 Kirghiz
109 Kirghiz
110 Kalmyk
111 Kalmyk
112 Bashkir
113 Bashkir
114 Chechen-Ingush
115 Kabardin-Balkar
Units underlined were disbanded in 1942 before taking part inaction. 114 Cavalry Division was reformed as 255 Cavalry Regiment, in this incarnation it saw action in the Don steppes in 1942.
Rifle Brigades:
87 Turkmen
88 Turkmen
89 Uzbek
90 Uzbek
91 Uzbek
92 Uzbek
93 Uzbek
94 Uzbek
96 Uzbek
97 Uzbek
98 Tadzhik
99 Tadzhik
100 Kazakh
101 Kazakh
Cavalry Division:
96 Kazakh
97 Turkmen
98 Turkmen
99 Uzbek
100 Uzbek
101 Uzbek
102 Uzbek
103 Uzbek
104 Tadzhik
105 Kazakh
106 Kazakh
107 Kirghiz
108 Kirghiz
109 Kirghiz
110 Kalmyk
111 Kalmyk
112 Bashkir
113 Bashkir
114 Chechen-Ingush
115 Kabardin-Balkar
Units underlined were disbanded in 1942 before taking part inaction. 114 Cavalry Division was reformed as 255 Cavalry Regiment, in this incarnation it saw action in the Don steppes in 1942.
Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45
Hi, Art, any divisions formed from Tatars or nationalities in the Volga area like Komi, Mari, Chuvash ?Art wrote:On 13 November 1941 the GKO approved formation of the following national units:
Rifle Brigades:
87 Turkmen
88 Turkmen
89 Uzbek
90 Uzbek
91 Uzbek
92 Uzbek
93 Uzbek
94 Uzbek
96 Uzbek
97 Uzbek
98 Tadzhik
99 Tadzhik
100 Kazakh
101 Kazakh
Cavalry Division:
96 Kazakh
97 Turkmen
98 Turkmen
99 Uzbek
100 Uzbek
101 Uzbek
102 Uzbek
103 Uzbek
104 Tadzhik
105 Kazakh
106 Kazakh
107 Kirghiz
108 Kirghiz
109 Kirghiz
110 Kalmyk
111 Kalmyk
112 Bashkir
113 Bashkir
114 Chechen-Ingush
115 Kabardin-Balkar
Units underlined were disbanded in 1942 before taking part inaction. 114 Cavalry Division was reformed as 255 Cavalry Regiment, in this incarnation it saw action in the Don steppes in 1942.
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Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45
Charles Pettibone book Soviet order of battle had comment on each division, I found that most of national division (Rifle division) were come from Causasus area and many divisions he called it a national division like Rebuilt 214th RD was Bashkir national division, 61st RD rebuilt as Armenian division.
I don't see any National Rifle division from 5 Central Asian countries, like 316 RD was recruited from Kazakh and Kirghiz, so is it no national division was authorized or actually formed in separate Central Asian republic like Uzbek, Kazakh or Turkmen ? or Central Asian countries only could build mixed RD like 316th RD ?
Or Soviet " National Divisions " policy only applied to Causcaus Area and Baltic countries ?
Remark : Soviet did have national Cavalry division built for Central Asian countries, so right now I mean Rifle Divison.
I don't see any National Rifle division from 5 Central Asian countries, like 316 RD was recruited from Kazakh and Kirghiz, so is it no national division was authorized or actually formed in separate Central Asian republic like Uzbek, Kazakh or Turkmen ? or Central Asian countries only could build mixed RD like 316th RD ?
Or Soviet " National Divisions " policy only applied to Causcaus Area and Baltic countries ?
Remark : Soviet did have national Cavalry division built for Central Asian countries, so right now I mean Rifle Divison.
Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45
I found some ethnic makeup of individual division to share with members :
Rebuit 89th Rifle Division after Vizama had 80% Armenian recruits on Jan 1 1944
Rebuilt 276th Rifle Division after Kerch had 70% Armenian
392nd Rifle Division had 90% Armenian
402nd Rifle Division had 50% Azerbaijan
416th Rifle Division had 70% Azerbaijan
196th Rifle divsion had 80% Kazakh in 1942 and 20% Russian
310th Rifle division had 40% Kazakh, 30% Russian, 25% Ukrainan and 5% other
316th Rifle Division about one third were Kazakh
7th Rifle Divison in 1943 had 81% Estonian
16th Rifle divison in 1943 had 36.5% Lithuanian
149th Rifle divison had 63% Estonian in 1943
Rebuit 89th Rifle Division after Vizama had 80% Armenian recruits on Jan 1 1944
Rebuilt 276th Rifle Division after Kerch had 70% Armenian
392nd Rifle Division had 90% Armenian
402nd Rifle Division had 50% Azerbaijan
416th Rifle Division had 70% Azerbaijan
196th Rifle divsion had 80% Kazakh in 1942 and 20% Russian
310th Rifle division had 40% Kazakh, 30% Russian, 25% Ukrainan and 5% other
316th Rifle Division about one third were Kazakh
7th Rifle Divison in 1943 had 81% Estonian
16th Rifle divison in 1943 had 36.5% Lithuanian
149th Rifle divison had 63% Estonian in 1943
Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45
Personnel of the Soviet Army by ethnicity (from A.Yu. Bezugolniy "An experience of building of the USSR's armed forces: a national aspect (1992-1945)", a doctorate thesis)
Some numbers are calculated approximately from percentage provided by the author.
Some numbers are calculated approximately from percentage provided by the author.
Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45
Hi, Art, thank and your data is Wonderful.
Re: Ethnic makeup of Soviet Army in 44/45
You are welcome, the thesis itself can be downloaded here:
https://vagsh.mil.ru/upload/site17/docu ... UQPrI7.pdf
https://vagsh.mil.ru/upload/site17/docu ... UQPrI7.pdf