Soviet OOBs
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Re: Soviet OOBs
Wow, nobody wrote in here since 2010. Ok here is my question, maybe you can help. I am compiling several OOB's for Operation Barbarossa for Germans and Soviets. Just about got a full roster of the Soviet mechanised corps in June 22 1941, but wanted to see what you guys had for sources or info on 5th MC and 30th MC. Also, I know that the 29th MC was disbanded May 7th 1941, but was interested in knowing if it was ever allotted its tank divisions and motorised division before being disbanded.
Thanks in advance
ViKing
Thanks in advance
ViKing
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Re: Soviet OOBs
HiViKinG wrote:Wow, nobody wrote in here since 2010. Ok here is my question, maybe you can help. I am compiling several OOB's for Operation Barbarossa for Germans and Soviets. Just about got a full roster of the Soviet mechanised corps in June 22 1941, but wanted to see what you guys had for sources or info on 5th MC and 30th MC. Also, I know that the 29th MC was disbanded May 7th 1941, but was interested in knowing if it was ever allotted its tank divisions and motorised division before being disbanded.
Thanks in advance
ViKing
In Russian the most comprehansive information you can get from here:
5th MC:
http://mechcorps.ru/files/mechcorps/pages/5_meh.htm
30th MC:
http://mechcorps.ru/files/mechcorps/pages/30_meh.htm
29th MC:
http://mechcorps.ru/files/mechcorps/pages/29_meh.htm
Tank divisions of the 29th MC as well as motorised one were used as individual units been of course formed and equipped with 1000+ tanks in total
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Re: Soviet OOBs
Thanks AMVAS, looks like a very valuable site, sadly I don't read Russian haha. hmm I'll have to keep looking I guess
ViKing
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Re: Soviet OOBs
such terms as Tank Division and tank are readily translated by automatic translators. Use my site abbreviation section if you have some problems with abbreviationsViKinG wrote:Thanks AMVAS, looks like a very valuable site, sadly I don't read Russian haha. hmm I'll have to keep looking I guess
ViKing
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Re: Soviet OOBs
Updated links:
OOB 22.06.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 10622.html
1.07.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 10701.html
10.07.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 10710.html
1.08.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 10801.html
1.09.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 10901.html
1.10.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 11001.html
1.11.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 11101.html
1.12.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 11201.html
Summary table 1941 (in English):
http://teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/BoevojSos ... -1941.html
1.01.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20101.html
1.02.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20201.html
1.03.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20301.html
1.04.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20401.html
1.05.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20501.html
1.06.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20601.html
1.07.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20701.html
1.08.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20801.html
1.09.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20901.html
1.10.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 21001.html
1.11.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 21101.html
1.12.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 21201.html
Summary table 1942 (in English):
http://teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/BoevojSos ... -1942.html
1.01.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30101.html
1.02.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30201.html
1.03.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30301.html
1.04.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30401.html
1.05.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30501.html
1.06.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30601.html
1.07.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30701.html
1.08.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30801.html
1.09.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30901.html
1.10.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 31001.html
1.11.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 31101.html
1.12.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 31201.html
Summary table 1943 (in English):
http://teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/BoevojSos ... -1943.html
1.01.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40101.html
1.02.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40201.html
1.03.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40301.html
1.04.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40401.html
1.05.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40501.html
1.06.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40601.html
1.07.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40701.html
1.08.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40801.html
1.09.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40901.html
1.10.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 41001.html
1.11.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 41101.html
1.12.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 41201.html
Summary table 1944 (in English):
http://teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/BoevojSos ... -1944.html
1.01.45:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50101.html
1.02.45:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50201.html
1.03.45:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50301.html
1.04.45:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50401.html
1.05.45:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50501.html
1.08.45 (Far East only):
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50801.html
9.08.45 (Far East only);
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50801.html
3.09.45 (Far East only):
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50903.html
Summary table 1945:
http://teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/BoevojSos ... -1945.html
OOB 22.06.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 10622.html
1.07.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 10701.html
10.07.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 10710.html
1.08.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 10801.html
1.09.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 10901.html
1.10.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 11001.html
1.11.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 11101.html
1.12.41:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 11201.html
Summary table 1941 (in English):
http://teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/BoevojSos ... -1941.html
1.01.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20101.html
1.02.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20201.html
1.03.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20301.html
1.04.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20401.html
1.05.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20501.html
1.06.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20601.html
1.07.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20701.html
1.08.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20801.html
1.09.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 20901.html
1.10.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 21001.html
1.11.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 21101.html
1.12.42:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 21201.html
Summary table 1942 (in English):
http://teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/BoevojSos ... -1942.html
1.01.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30101.html
1.02.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30201.html
1.03.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30301.html
1.04.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30401.html
1.05.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30501.html
1.06.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30601.html
1.07.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30701.html
1.08.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30801.html
1.09.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 30901.html
1.10.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 31001.html
1.11.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 31101.html
1.12.43:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 31201.html
Summary table 1943 (in English):
http://teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/BoevojSos ... -1943.html
1.01.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40101.html
1.02.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40201.html
1.03.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40301.html
1.04.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40401.html
1.05.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40501.html
1.06.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40601.html
1.07.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40701.html
1.08.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40801.html
1.09.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 40901.html
1.10.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 41001.html
1.11.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 41101.html
1.12.44:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 41201.html
Summary table 1944 (in English):
http://teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/BoevojSos ... -1944.html
1.01.45:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50101.html
1.02.45:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50201.html
1.03.45:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50301.html
1.04.45:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50401.html
1.05.45:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50501.html
1.08.45 (Far East only):
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50801.html
9.08.45 (Far East only);
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50801.html
3.09.45 (Far East only):
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/Boevo ... 50903.html
Summary table 1945:
http://teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/BoevojSos ... -1945.html
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Re: Soviet OOBs
Thanks Art for posting the links to BSSA Data.....now it's all in one place.
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Re: Soviet OOBs
Alternative links to another site:
1.07.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
10.7.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.8.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.9.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.10.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.11.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.12.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.1.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.2.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.3.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.4.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.5.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.6.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.7.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.8.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.9.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.10.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.11.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.12.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.1.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.2.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.3.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.4.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.5.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.6.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.7.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.8.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.9.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.10.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.11.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.12.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.1.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.2.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.3.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.4.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.5.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.6.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.7.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.8.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.9.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.10.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.11.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.12.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.1.45:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.2.45:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.3.45:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.4.45:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.5.45:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.6.44 (Far East):
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.7.45 (Far East):
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.8.45 (Far East):
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
9.8.45 (Far East):
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
3.9.45 (Far East):
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.07.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
10.7.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.8.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.9.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.10.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.11.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.12.41:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.1.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.2.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.3.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.4.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.5.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.6.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.7.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.8.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.9.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.10.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.11.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.12.42:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.1.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.2.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.3.43:
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1.4.43:
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1.5.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.6.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.7.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.8.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.9.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.10.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.11.43:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.12.43:
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1.1.44:
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1.2.44:
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1.3.44:
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1.4.44:
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1.5.44:
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1.6.44:
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1.7.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.8.44:
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1.9.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.10.44:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.11.44:
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1.12.44:
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1.1.45:
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1.2.45:
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1.3.45:
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1.4.45:
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1.5.45:
http://bdsa.ru/index.php?option=com_con ... Itemid=152
1.6.44 (Far East):
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1.7.45 (Far East):
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Re: Soviet OOBs
Are both Mechcorps and Tashv.nm gone? They were both very good sites. Is there somewhere to find to Perechen data now (besides Soldat.ru)? The html lists on Tashv were much easier to manipulate than the djvu files on Soldat.ru.
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Re: Soviet OOBs
A copy of Tashv.nm is available here:
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/
I don't know how long it would live.
Mechcorps site is off. I only can find some archived pages from the site:
http://archive.today/mechcorps.rkka.ru
http://www.teatrskazka.com/Raznoe/
I don't know how long it would live.
Mechcorps site is off. I only can find some archived pages from the site:
http://archive.today/mechcorps.rkka.ru
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Re: Soviet OOBs
Any idea what was the composition in spring 1943 of Tank Army's Destroyer Anti-tank Regiments?
What was the meaning of 'Destroyer' in these Regiments?
With best, J-P
What was the meaning of 'Destroyer' in these Regiments?
With best, J-P

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Re: Soviet OOBs
Different variants. 5 or 6 batteries with 20 or 24 45-mm or 76-mm guns. One should check specific unit to give an exact answer.John Hilly wrote:Any idea what was the composition in spring 1943 of Tank Army's Destroyer Anti-tank Regiments?
Essentially nothing. Just a name given to all AT-units шт 1942 for moral boost.What was the meaning of 'Destroyer' in these Regiments?
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Re: Soviet OOBs
Are there OOB from 1939?
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Re: Soviet OOBs
Thanks Art!
Were self-propelled guns (SU-76, SU-122) In 1943 counted as 'Tanks' in Soviet documentation, or did they have thheir own file in the statistics?
With best, J-P

Were self-propelled guns (SU-76, SU-122) In 1943 counted as 'Tanks' in Soviet documentation, or did they have thheir own file in the statistics?
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Re: Soviet OOBs
What kind of statistics and documentation exactly? Formally before April 1943 IIRC SP guns were considered a part of artillery.
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Re: Soviet OOBs
Actually I was looking for the number of SP -guns of the 2nd Tank Army, January- July 1943.
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