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Russian MP?

Post by Fred » 13 Apr 2002 07:52

Anyone that saw the movie : Cross of Iron? Yes! In the beginning of the movie the hero(Steiner) replaces his MP-40 with a russian one. Does someone have any info. about this 8) gun?

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Post by Rob S. » 13 Apr 2002 13:05

The ppsh 41 I believe. Held quite a few rounds and hardly ever jammed.

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Post by Rob S. » 13 Apr 2002 13:07

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Very weak caliber however. 7.62 pistole rounds. I believe the Finnish used a 9mm parabellum version of this gun.

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Post by Fred » 13 Apr 2002 14:18

Very weak caliber however. 7.62 pistole rounds



Was it the 7.62 Tokarev or...???Someone???Any data weight, rounds/minute, mag. capacity etc..???

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Post by Ovidius » 13 Apr 2002 14:25

The Finnish MP was the Suomi M1931, appeared years before the PPSh-41 and was a weapon of much higher quality, plus it fired the 9x19 mm Parabellum ammo, which is still in production today as the 9x19mm NATO Standard.

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Post by Fred » 13 Apr 2002 15:17

Very weak caliber however. 7.62 pistole


Just some info about some smallarm calibers:

7.62mm Tokarev bullitweight: 85 grains(5,5gram), m/sec.: 502, E/Joule: 693

9mm Para. bullitweight: 115 grains, m/sec.: 390, E/Joule: 570

.45 ACP. bullitweight: 230 grains, m/sec.: 260, E/Joule: 504

Ammo.maker: Seller & Bellot.

Thanks Mr Ovidius and Mr Wehr2 for your info. :) Fred.

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Post by David Lehmann » 13 Apr 2002 19:56

The PPSch-41 (Pistolet Pulemjot Schpagina model of 1941 = Shpagin submachinegun) was one of major infantry weapons of the Soviet troops during the World war 2. Total number of PPSch's manufactured during WW2 estimates to more than 6 millions. The gun became one of the symbols of the Great Patriotic War. Retired from Soviet Army service soon after the WW2, the PPSH was widely exported to some pro-Soviet countries arount the world, including Vietnam and many African countries.

The PPSch-41 was designed as a cheap and simple but effective war-time weapon. It featured simple blowback operated action, fired from open bolt. The striker was permanently fixed in the bolt face. PPSch-41 was a select-fire firearm, with fire selector switch located inside the triggerguard, ahead of trigger. The safety was integrated into the charging handle and locked the bolt in forward or rearward position. The receiver and the barrel shroud was made from stamped steel. The front part of the barrel shroud extends beyound the muzzle and acts as a muzzle brake / muzzle flip compensator. Early PPSch-41's were issued with drum magazines with capacity of 71 round, similar to ones used in PPD-40.
Such high capacity increased the firepower but the magazines were too slow to refill and not too reliable, so in 1942 a curved box magazine was developed. This magazine held 35 rounds and was much more comfortable to carry in pouches. Early magazines were made from .5 mm sheet steel and were somewhat unreliable. Later magazines were made from 1 mm steel and were completely satisfactory.
Usually, infantrymen carry one drum in the gun and some box magazines in the pouches or pockets.

Early guns featured elevation-ajustable rear sights, later ones flip-type "L"-shaped rear sights marked for 100 and 200 meters range.

All PPSch-41s featured hardwood stocks.

The main advantage of the PPSch-41 was bigger effective range (when compared to both Allies and Axis submachineguns of that era). It also was accurate enough and reliable. The main drawbacks were: heavy weight, lenght (too big for trench combat or for mobile operations) and the fact that the gun was sometimes prone (especially when weared enough) to unintended fire when dropped.

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PPSh41

Post by admfisher » 13 Apr 2002 20:31

The gun was know as crude, but vary reliable.
Many germans were know to have used the PPSh41, for these reasons.
The MP40 and 38 were good but not as simple to maintain and they would not hold up to the same abuse as the russian gun.

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Post by Fred » 13 Apr 2002 22:02

I´m very greateful for your help, thanks Fred. :)

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