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Re: USSR artillery shell production

Post by Art » 09 Oct 2021 15:41

Table 48:
1. Type of ammunition
2. Total lost
including:
1941
3. Quantity
4. Percentage of total losses
1942
5. Quantity
6. Percentage of total losses
Average monhtly loses:
7. 1941
8. 1942

Table 49
1. Type of ammunition
Resources in 1941
2. Available on 22.06.41
3. Industrial deliveries in the 2nd half 1941
4. Total (sum)
Decrease:
5. Expenditure
6. Including combat expenditure by fronts and PVO
7. Remainder as of 01.01.42
8. Percantage realtive to quantity as of 22.06.41

Apparently "expenditure" here means a sum of losses, combat and training expenditure.

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Re: USSR artillery shell production

Post by TheMarcksPlan » 11 Oct 2021 04:02

Art wrote:
09 Oct 2021 15:41
Table 48:
1. Type of ammunition
2. Total lost
including:
1941
3. Quantity
4. Percentage of total losses
1942
5. Quantity
6. Percentage of total losses
Average monhtly loses:
7. 1941
8. 1942

Table 49
1. Type of ammunition
Resources in 1941
2. Available on 22.06.41
3. Industrial deliveries in the 2nd half 1941
4. Total (sum)
Decrease:
5. Expenditure
6. Including combat expenditure by fronts and PVO
7. Remainder as of 01.01.42
8. Percantage realtive to quantity as of 22.06.41

Apparently "expenditure" here means a sum of losses, combat and training expenditure.
Thanks Art.

I agree that the "expenditure" encompasses all forms of loss, even though the chart isn't explicit. The narrative specifically states that commanders who lost artillery shells to the enemy - or who were forced to destroy them - often reported them as expended because of the harsh consequences expected otherwise (the book was written in 1977 so has more freedom to acknowledge Stalin/Beria lurking in the background).
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Re: USSR artillery shell production

Post by Vasilyev » 12 Oct 2021 17:26

rusarchives.ru has the GKO's approval of monthly ammo production plans. October and December are especially granular. They go into detail about the plans for different parts of the supply chain (Metals, explosives, etc.) and list where they're produced. Overall ~370 pages of material.

July and 2nd half 1941 (31 pages): http://sovdoc.rusarchives.ru/sections/war/cards/368299

August/September (36 pages): http://sovdoc.rusarchives.ru/sections/war/cards/368566

October (162 pages): http://sovdoc.rusarchives.ru/sections/war/cards/368830

November (38 pages): http://sovdoc.rusarchives.ru/sections/war//cards/368940

December (103 pages): http://sovdoc.rusarchives.ru/sections/war/cards/369099

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Re: USSR artillery shell production

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 29 Oct 2021 13:54

Art wrote:
11 May 2009 11:38
If someone is interested, here is data on Soviet ammunition expenditure in 1943. Format - type vs. expenditure in thousands rounds:
Taken from the Russian forum
http://vif2ne.ru/nvk/forum/0/co/1813574.htm
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I seem to remember that Vif2ne.ru moved somewhere else a few years ago. Do you have the current link to the article?

Also I am looking for a copy of
Sovetskaja Artilleryija v Velikoy Otechestvennoy vojne 1941-1945 godov [Soviet Artillery in the Great Patriotic War]. Moskva: Voenizdat, 1960.
if anyone has seen a copy

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Re: USSR artillery shell production

Post by Art » 29 Oct 2021 19:25

just replace .ru in the address line for .org.

I've got a paper copy of this book, it doesn't address production and supply of ammunition in much detail IIRC.

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Re: USSR artillery shell production

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 29 Oct 2021 19:41

Art
Thank you, have found it again.

I wanted to have alook at Sovetskaja Artilleryija v Velikoy Otechestvennoy vojne 1941-1945 godov for examples of artillery use, rather than this subject. Do you have the extra volume with the 108 schemes? I cannot find a copy in British Libraries. The archeologists with whom I am working at present wanted details of the Berlin operation. Good fire plan and artillery groupings in Peredelʹskiĭ, Georgiĭ Efimovich, Afanasiĭ Ivanovich Tokmakov, and Georgiĭ Trifonovich Khoroshilov. Артиллерия в бою и операции. Moskva: Voenizdat. 1980. But I wondered if there was additional detail in SAVOv. There is no production stuff in Peredelsky either

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Re: USSR artillery shell production

Post by Art » 30 Oct 2021 19:19

Do you have the extra volume with the 108 schemes? I cannot find a copy in British Libraries.
No. This maps volume was actually downloadable somewhere, but I can't rememember were exactly. I will try to find it, but I need to raise my old hard drive from dead for that. Anyway, all schemes in Peredelskiy were actually reprinted from this volume.

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Re: USSR artillery shell production

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 28 Nov 2021 16:02

Couple of artillery terms that I cannot translate:

1) выстрелов картузного заряжания

2) военно-разрядная база

3) (их броня)
as in "Из общего количества артиллерийских боеприпасов, хранившихся к началу войны на центральных базах и складах (14601 тыс. снарядов и мин), около 24 процентов (3480 тыс.) составляли мобзапасы округов (их броня), принадлежавшие в основном трем западным приграничным военным округам — Прибалтийскому, Западному и Киевскому."

and I have collected a 1933 Manual on Handling Munitions which I shall post when I have processed the images.

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Re: USSR artillery shell production

Post by Art » 28 Nov 2021 19:15

Der Alte Fritz wrote:
28 Nov 2021 16:02
1) выстрелов картузного заряжания
Units of separate loading ammunition (bagged charge)
3) (их броня)
Reserved stocks of military districts
2) военно-разрядная база
Doesn't make sense to me without a context.

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