T-34 vs T-34m

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T-34 vs T-34m

Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 09 Jan 2003 11:05

see the difference
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Post by Juha Hujanen » 09 Jan 2003 16:33

Hmm,a commander and a cupola for him.And new hull,turret,steering mechanism.Wasn't it Pavlov who wanted to modernize T-34 to T-34M but Stalin feared German attack and didn't want to confuse making of T-34 by modernization?.

With better steering system and commander,the T-34M would have been suberb tank in 41.

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Post by Mark V » 09 Jan 2003 17:17

The torsion bar suspension would have been the most significant improvement after commanders cupola: simple, consumes much less space than Christie-suspension, easy to beef-up to carry heavier load if the weight of vehicle creeps up with other modifications (just replace few bars with stronger ones). Only thing in negative side is that it is somewhat susceptible to mine damage.


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Post by Maple 01 » 09 Jan 2003 17:42

Hmmm,

Looks a little Panzer IV like to me.......

Where there copyright issues? :wink:

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Post by Musashi » 09 Jan 2003 20:58

Its interesting. I haven't seen it before.
The tank was made under "impression" of German tanks and the idea was fine. The Germans paid attention to tanks' sights what is visible in almost all German tanks.
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Post by Oleg Grigoryev » 09 Jan 2003 23:43

Juha Hujanen wrote:Hmm,a commander and a cupola for him.And new hull,turret,steering mechanism.Wasn't it Pavlov who wanted to modernize T-34 to T-34M but Stalin feared German attack and didn't want to confuse making of T-34 by modernization?.

With better steering system and commander,the T-34M would have been suberb tank in 41.

Cheers/Juha
No it was Kulik. Quality of the first T-34 was rather dismal. Kulik ordered to stop the assembly line for the bugs to be worked out And after reading of the evaluating Pz.III he also came to the correct conclusion that it might be wise to incorporate torsion bar (KV-type), commanders cupola, and additional crew member, also some additional armor would not hurt. Also if you check that driver position in the T-34m is on the left while in T-34 it is on the right. There is suppose to be an article on the subject at the http://www.battlefield.ru

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Post by Lars EP » 20 Jan 2003 11:32

Maple 01 wrote:Hmmm,

Looks a little Panzer IV like to me.......

Where there copyright issues? :wink:

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-Nick


You mean the sloping armour, the long-barreled gun and the wide tracks...? :P

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Post by SleepWalker » 11 Feb 2003 11:16

hey if u look at german tanks from 39 to 44. Then u see that germans didint had skills to make something like T-34, IS-2 or ISU-122. They had 5 years to figer it out that if u make tanks not like boxes, but more like T-34 they woud win the war.

:P But they stiked to the old volvo type boxy tanks that coud be destroyd with a high velocity rifle. Rifle round coud go thru dirivers position like hot knife thru butter.

if germans changet angle of armor about 40 degreez, Then high velocity rounds or connon shells woud just recoshet from it.

btw german tanks needet oil to make their mechanics work.
"Russian didn't"

hmmm so whose tanks are better

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Post by Juha Tompuri » 11 Feb 2003 21:14

Some notes:
The "new" wheel arrangement exposed the "thin" vertical armour behind the wheels more than the original one. However if there would have been any interchangeability between the KV-series, it would have been worth it.

Why the change of the drivers position? Did they plan to cross the Channel? :wink:

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