Soviet Airboats in WW2

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Soviet Airboats in WW2

Post by PT Dockyard » 03 Jul 2009 01:09

I have seen a photo of a small airboat, about 5 Meters long, that had been captured by the Romanians. It had little stub wings aft, a single MG on a ring mount in front to the cockpit and an aircraft engine at the rear.

Does anyone have any information on these little boats?

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Post by South » 03 Jul 2009 06:48

Good morning Dave,

I have a picture of an airboat that does NOT fit the description of the mentioned aircraft that was captured.

However, it might help your research to tell what I have.

The picture I have is of a small airboat, about 4-5 meters long, no gun and the engine is forward mounted.

The picture's caption:

"Before the war small flying-boats served areas even inaccessible to the U-2. The Sch-2, or more correctly Shch-2, amphibian (100 hp M-11) is seen here on the lake at the Tik-Guba settlement near Apatity in Soviet Lapland south of Murmansk."

SOVIET TRANSPORT AIRCRAFT SINCE 1945, John Stroud, 1968, Library of Congress Catalog Number: 68-21860, pg 15.

I'm guessing researching the Shch-2 series will lead you to identifying your flying machine.

Warm regards,

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Post by Ironmachine » 03 Jul 2009 11:47

I may be completely wrong, but your description do not resemble an aircraft. Maybe the vehicle in your photo is similar to this?
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Post by bil » 03 Jul 2009 17:10

Thanks for the pic-I have seen these in old newsreels ,used by both sides.But no pictures or drawing standing still. ---bil

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Post by PT Dockyard » 03 Jul 2009 17:19

Thanks for the pictures. The craft I am referring to was definitely a boat. The hull looked like a speedboat hull. The stub wings appeared to be for steering

Designation was possibly Tupelov M-11 although this may be the type of engine that was used.


I'll see if I can find the picture.
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Re: Soviet Airboats in WW2

Post by David Reasoner » 04 Jul 2009 01:19

Dave, I think the Russian or Soviet term for what you are looking for is aeroglisser (glisser = skimming boat). I seem to recall that Andrei Tupolev may have had some connection with aeroglisser development in the Soviet Union, although he is much better known for his achievements in aircraft and MTB design. Is this by chance the photo in question:

http://www.shipspotting.com/modules/mya ... 63&cid=151

The M-11 bit is probably a reference to the engine used; a Shvetsov M-11 5-cylinder radial aircraft engine of about 100 horsepower:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shvetsov_M-11

David

Edit: another little tidbit that may help you in your search; according to this website the department responsible for aeroglisser and aerosan development in the Soviet Union was the OSGA = Otdel Stroitelstva Glisserov i Aerosanej - Department for glisser and air sled construction.

http://russianaviation.info/acronyms.html

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Re: Soviet Airboats in WW2

Post by PT Dockyard » 04 Jul 2009 04:34

Yes! That is the boat! :D

Were they used extensively? I am trying to find out how many were made and how they were used in action.

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This is NKL-5

Post by Denis1973 » 04 Jul 2009 12:06

Hi!
On photo the military conversion of this spidboat. It call NKL-5, built by TsKB GlavLesMash (construction bureau of timber industry) in unknown numbers.
Technical data:
Displacement 1,2 metric tons
Matherial wood and plywood
Capacity 2 crew + 4 passengers
Engine M-11 100 hp
Max speed 33 kn (lightweight up to 45 kn)
Range 135 sea miles
More drawings may be downloaded here
http://alumboat.narod.ru/index10.html
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Re: Soviet Airboats in WW2

Post by David Reasoner » 04 Jul 2009 18:02

Excellent information, Denis! Thanks for posting it.

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Re: Soviet Airboats in WW2

Post by PT Dockyard » 05 Jul 2009 00:25

Thanks for all the information!!

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Re: Soviet Airboats in WW2

Post by Der Alte Fritz » 09 Jul 2009 20:39

Oh dear!
And there I was getting all excited thinking that the Russians had fielded the Ekranoplan 40 years early.
In fact the first ones were tested in Sweden before WW2 but they really only got going in the 1960s.
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Post by Denis1973 » 10 Jul 2009 11:27

2 DAF
I don't understand. It this topic we talking about speedboats, not ekranoplane. There is nothing common in this two different types of vessels.

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Post by jkschulte » 07 Apr 2010 18:30

PT Dockyard wrote:Thanks for the pictures. The craft I am referring to was definitely a boat. The hull looked like a speedboat hull. The stub wings appeared to be for steering

Designation was possibly Tupelov M-11 although this may be the type of engine that was used.


I'll see if I can find the picture.
Dave
Hello Dave I am restoring a russian aerosan www.russianboat.com is this what you are looking for ? Regards Jerry

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